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Beth and Lisa are joined by editor and author Joel Brigham to discuss the messy, magical process of drafting. Joel shares practical advice to help writers overcome perfectionism and keep their momentum through the challenging early stages of a manuscript.

Guest Bio:
Joel Brigham is a seasoned developmental editor and founder of Brigham Editorial. With over 21 years of experience as an English teacher, Joel also mentors authors through RevPit, an online writing community focused on providing free editorial feedback. He is a former Pitch Wars mentor and the author of multiple novels, with a passion for coaching writers through their creative blocks.

Key Discussion Points:

• The core purpose of a first draft: “Words on the page—period.”
• Avoiding perfectionism and maintaining momentum in early writing stages.
• The power of psychology in writing: Zeigarnik effect, goal gradient effect, and the commitment and consistency principle.
• Common drafting mistakes: cliché openings, info dumping, lack of conflict, and undefined characters.
• How to start a novel and what elements (plot, character, theme, world) might help, especially across genres.
• Discovery writing vs. plotting: how to use strategic check-ins every 15-20k words to stay on course.
• The importance of not editing too early and letting bad writing exist temporarily.
• Encouragement for writers to embrace their individual process while building systems to reduce overwhelm.

Conclusion:
Joel Brigham offers not just craft knowledge, but a motivational boost for every writer wrestling with doubt or perfectionism. Whether you're a plotter or discovery writer, Joel’s advice focuses on giving yourself grace, building momentum, and ultimately, finishing that draft.

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Episode Summary:
In this engaging Ask B&L episode, Beth McMullen and Lisa Schmid tackle two of the most commonly asked questions from aspiring authors: what is voice in writing and how do you navigate the editorial process? With personal anecdotes, practical advice, and a whole lot of writerly camaraderie, Beth and Lisa break down complex concepts with clarity and humor.

Key Discussion Points:

• Catching Up: Beth shares travel stories from Copenhagen and Amsterdam, including a must-visit bakery (Anderson Bakery), while Lisa talks about her current writing phase and genre pivot.
• What Is Voice?: Beth uses a brilliant analogy inspired by the Van Gogh Museum to define voice as an evolution of style that emerges through experimentation and imitation, becoming uniquely yours over time. Lisa highlights how voice is infused with the author’s personality and reflects their authentic self.
• Understanding the Editorial Process:
  • Advice on handling editorial letters—read, reflect, highlight, and revisit.
  • The importance of setting ego aside and seeing editors as collaborators.
  • When and how to push back while preserving your voice.
  • Personal experiences with accepting or negotiating changes during revisions.
  • Encouragement to not feel overwhelmed and to treat edits as opportunities for growth.

Conclusion:
Beth and Lisa offer real, grounded insight that demystifies the writing and editing journey for emerging authors. Whether you’re figuring out your voice or working through your first editorial letter, this episode is a warm, insightful companion that reminds you—you’re not alone.

Mentioned Links:

• Visit: writerswithwrinkles.net
• Bakery Mention: Andersen Bakery (Copenhagen)
• Upcoming Guest on June 9: Editor Joel Brigham on fast drafting

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In this encore edition, Beth and Lisa chat with Ivan Taurisano, Associate Editor at Abrams, who specializes in children's literature and intellectual properties. Ivan shares insider tips on creating standout submissions, navigating the acquisition process, and the evolving trends in middle-grade publishing.

Guest Bio

Ivan Taurisano is an Associate Editor at Abrams, specializing in children's licenses and intellectual property. His work includes novelty books, board books, graphic novels, and select MG and YA titles. He has collaborated on several successful series and brands, such as How to Catch, Little Heroes, Big Hearts, Sesame Street, Disney, Tokidoki, and Pokémon. His guiding principle is that a child whose life is transformed by a book is one step closer to becoming an adult who will change the world.

Key Discussion Points

1. Submission Essentials: Ivan emphasizes the importance of polished manuscripts, strategic research, and personalized query letters. Authors should highlight why their work fits the editor’s preferences and demonstrate professionalism to make a strong first impression.
2. Acquisition Process: Ivan demystifies the journey of a manuscript from editorial meetings to marketing evaluations, highlighting what makes or breaks a deal.
3. Middle-Grade Trends: The market is leaning toward shorter, action-packed, and visually engaging middle-grade books. Writers are encouraged to innovate and break traditional molds to captivate readers.
4. Social Media & Track Records: While a social media platform isn’t a dealbreaker, it’s a bonus for YA and middle-grade authors. Past sales numbers of debut books are discussed critically during acquisitions, with publishers investigating contributing factors to performance.
5. Opportunities in Chapter Books: There’s room for new voices in character-driven chapter books, with series potential being a key factor for success.

Conclusion

This episode provides actionable advice for aspiring authors to refine their submissions and navigate publishing with confidence. Ivan’s insights, grounded in industry expertise, offer a roadmap for writers seeking to make an impact in children’s literature.

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In this inspiring episode, Beth and Lisa welcome bestselling author and illustrator Brian Selznick to discuss his latest YA novel Run Away With Me. Brian shares how personal history, queer identity, and the haunting beauty of an empty Rome during the pandemic shaped this deeply moving love story.

Guest Bio:
Brian Selznick is the Caldecott Medal-winning author of The Invention of Hugo Cabret, which became Martin Scorsese's Oscar-winning film Hugo. His innovative storytelling style blends narrative and illustration, captivating readers of all ages. Selznick’s books have sold millions of copies, been translated into over 35 languages, and include the bestsellers Wonderstruck and The Marvels. He lives in Brooklyn and La Jolla with his husband, Dr. David Serlin.

Key Discussion Points:

• Origins of Run Away With Me: Inspired by time spent in a deserted Rome during the pandemic and Brian’s husband's Rome Prize fellowship.
• Setting the Story in 1986: Chosen for its pre-digital intimacy, connection to Fellini's Intervista, and poignant resonance with the emerging AIDS crisis.
• YA Shift: This novel marks a shift to older characters and more intimate, emotional themes, including first love and sexual awakening.
• Illustration vs. Text: Originally intended as a text-only novel, illustrations were later added to immerse readers in Rome and enhance storytelling rhythmically.
• Building Empathy: Through vulnerability and layered character flaws, Brian explores how readers connect with characters even through their mistakes.
• Worldbuilding & Pacing: Brian discusses how his illustrations function as visual memory aids, reducing exposition and preserving narrative flow.
• Film Adaptation Insight: Brian details how Hugo was faithfully adapted by Martin Scorsese, who honored the visual storytelling of the book.

Conclusion:
Brian Selznick offers a masterclass in layered storytelling, blending history, personal experience, and imaginative worldbuilding. Run Away With Me is a love letter to young queer love, art, and the haunting beauty of solitude and discovery. This episode is a must-listen for aspiring authors and fans of emotionally resonant fiction.

Mentioned Links:

• Run Away With Me by Brian Selznick: Publisher's Page
• Brian Selznick's website

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Beth and Lisa sit down with Carey Blankenship-Kramer, literary agent and author of Ghost Scout's Honor, to talk all things publishing—from crafting irresistible query letters to the harsh realities of publishing economics. Carey shares heartfelt insights on the future of middle grade, the evolving horror genre, and what truly makes her heart sing when reading submissions.

Guest Bio:
Carey Blankenship-Kramer is a literary agent and author whose debut novel Ghost Scout's Honor (Scholastic, April 2025) is a queer, neurodiverse middle grade horror adventure set in ghost-filled Savannah. Since becoming an agent in 2023, Carey has championed authors across genres, prioritizing marginalized voices. When not agenting or writing, she enjoys tennis, video games, candy, and time with her "small zoo" of pets.

Key Discussion Points:

• About Ghost Scout's Honor: A spooky, empowering middle grade debut featuring determined protagonist Evie and her ghostly adventures. Carey combines horror, Southern charm, and inclusivity.
• Query Letter Insights: Carey emphasizes the importance of a pitch that hooks instantly. Personal stakes, clear comps, and authentic vibes matter most to her.
• The State of Middle Grade Publishing: Attention spans are down, publishers aren't effectively reaching younger audiences, and shorter, snappier stories are performing better.
• Industry Challenges: The impact of tariffs, the collapse of Albert Whitman, and the increasing corporatization of publishing are creating financial and emotional challenges for authors.
• Trends to Watch: Horror and dystopian genres are rising. Carey sees these as reflections of readers processing real-world fears in safe, fictional environments.
• What Makes Carey’s Heart Sing: Emotional depth layered within horror or fantasy. She seeks stories that offer both escapism and human connection.

Conclusion:
This candid conversation offers aspiring authors vital knowledge straight from someone who’s both querying and reading slush piles. Carey’s advice is invaluable for writers like Luna—aspiring novelists navigating today’s unpredictable publishing world. From query do’s and don’ts to genre shifts and emotional resilience, this episode is a must-listen.

Mentioned Links:

• Carey's Debut: Ghost Scout's Honor (Scholastic, April 2025)
• Writers With Wrinkles blog

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🎙️ Episode Summary:
In this special "Ask Beth & Lisa" episode of Writers With Wrinkles, Beth McMullen and Lisa Schmid explore the emotional challenges of the current creative climate and share their personal writing origin stories to inspire struggling writers. With humor, heart, and a dash of wine, they offer a candid look at what first ignited their passion to write and how to reconnect with that spark during tough times.

🔑 Key Discussion Points:

• Mental health in writing: Beth and Lisa acknowledge the current collective sense of despair among creatives and share strategies for managing anxiety and rediscovering joy in the craft.
• Funny bookstore tales: Lisa recounts stealthily rearranging books at Barnes & Noble and longing for the perfect shelf placement. Beth shares her “book flipping” technique and the invisible sensor that alerts staff to authors in the wild.
• Wine and writing therapy: Lisa hilariously shares her obsession with Chateau Ste. Michelle Light Chardonnay and the great unboxing event of her case delivery.
• Unboxing video spoofing: The duo dives into the unspoken pressure behind book unboxings and how performative moments can feel inauthentic.
• Their origin stories:
  • Lisa’s journey began after closing down a beloved but overwhelming nonprofit. Her pivot to writing children’s books was rooted in wanting to continue making a difference for kids.
  • Beth’s motivation came from pure spite—a competitive spark after seeing a peer publish a book drove her to finish her first manuscript.
• Message to writers: Return to the emotional core that first pushed you to write. That original spark can reignite your current writing practice.

🔚 Conclusion:
In a time when many writers feel stalled or discouraged, Beth and Lisa remind us that reconnecting with your personal "why" can reignite purpose and momentum. Join the community in their private Facebook group, The Waiting Room: Therapy for Writers, for support and solidarity.

🔗 Mentioned Links:

• Join the Facebook group: The Waiting Room: Therapy for Writers
• Visit: writerswithwrinkles.net

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In this candid "Ask B&L" episode, Beth and Lisa answer a listener question about agent transparency, diving into the red flags of a rocky publishing relationship. They also unpack book coaching, revising habits, and finding sanity as a writer in uncertain times.

Guest Bio:
No guest this episode – just your favorite duo, Beth McMullen and Lisa Schmid, authors and co-hosts of Writers With Wrinkles.

Key Discussion Points:

• The value of disconnecting: Beth shares her experience of mentally unplugging and how it relates to mindfulness and creativity.
• Book coaching launch: Beth introduces her new professional book coaching services and website BethMcMullenBooks.com, highlighting offerings like manuscript feedback and query letter Quick Wins.
• Listener Q&A: A writer asks if it's normal for an agent to never share a submission list—spoiler: it's not. Beth and Lisa stress the importance of communication, red flag awareness, and using organizations like SCBWI and Authors Guild for support.
• Agent dynamics: The hosts discuss how writers can (and should) advocate for themselves and treat agent relationships as business partnerships.
• Writing advice: The age-old “edit-as-you-go” dilemma resurfaces, with encouragement to push through messy first drafts instead of polishing prematurely.
• Podcast behind-the-scenes: From sunglasses in their logo to sound editing quirks, Beth and Lisa reflect on their origin story and podcast process.
• Podcast love: Lisa shouts out her appearance on Middle Grade Matters with Shannon Ballam—praised for her smooth delivery and sharp interviews. Listen here: Middle Grade Matters (link to be added in show notes).

Conclusion:
From industry tips to emotional honesty, this episode is a warm, funny, and information-packed check-in with Beth and Lisa. Writers like Luna—aspiring, overwhelmed, and determined—will find comfort and guidance in their down-to-earth advice and hard-won experience. Don’t forget to visit WritersWithWrinkles.net to support the show, explore past episodes, and join the writing community.

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🎧 Episode Summary:
In this Ask Beth & Lisa episode, our favorite author duo jumps into listener questions covering everything from publishing red flags to agent transparency and the editorial process. With humor, honesty, and real talk, they break down what’s “normal” in publishing—and what’s not.

📝 Key Discussion Points:

• Editorial Letter Red Flags: A 40-page editorial letter? Not normal. Beth and Lisa explain what you should expect from your editor and why stripping a manuscript’s voice is a major red flag.
• What Happens After You Sign a Book Deal: Beth walks through the real publishing process—from editorial letters to copy edits to production—with invaluable advice for debut and seasoned authors alike.
• Agent Transparency: If your agent doesn’t tell you where your manuscript is being submitted, that’s a problem. Learn what healthy agent-author communication looks like and what to do when it’s not there.
• Advocating for Yourself: Both hosts stress the importance of protecting your creative voice and knowing when to push back—whether it's during revisions or in your publishing relationships.
• Writing Organizations That Have Your Back: Lisa shares a personal story about being kicked out of a school visit—and how SCBWI stepped in to help. Beth highlights why professional organizations like SCBWI and the Authors Guild are essential for navigating tough situations.
• Shameless Plug: Beth officially launches her book coaching services through her revamped website. Check out her coaching packages and “Quick Wins for Authors” at BethMcMullenBooks.com.
• Other Podcast Love: Lisa recently appeared on the Middle Grade Matters podcast with Shannon Ballam—check it out for smooth-voiced wisdom on writing middle grade. Middle Grade Matters Podcast

📚 Conclusion:
Whether you’re deep in the trenches of edits, querying an agent, or just trying to stay sane as a writer, Beth and Lisa offer the real-talk, laughs, and guidance you need. Don’t forget to visit writerswithwrinkles.net for updates and support the show by subscribing and sharing.

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PLEASE NOTE: this episode was orignally meant to drop on March 31st but we moved it up so listeners can take advantage of The Little Press's upcoming pitch party. Listen to the full episode for details.

Episode Summary

In this episode, Beth and Lisa chat with Michele McAvoy, award-winning children’s book author, publisher, and founder of The Little Press. Michele shares her journey from self-published author to small press publisher, offering insight into the publishing industry, small press advantages, and advice for aspiring authors navigating the competitive world of children's books.

Guest Bio

Michele McAvoy is an attorney-turned-author and the founder of The Little Press, an independent publisher dedicated to discovering new voices in children's literature. She has written multiple award-winning books, including Willow the Werewolf, Cookie and Milk, and The Gorilla Picked Me. Michele is also an editor and hosts the podcast My Messy Muse, where she discusses the realities of the publishing world.

Key Discussion Points

• Starting The Little Press: Michele launched her publishing company in 2020 during the pandemic, focusing on debut and early-career authors.
• Challenges of Running a Small Press: From financial margins to educating authors about industry realities, Michele shares the behind-the-scenes struggles and rewards of publishing.
• Breaking into Publishing: Advice for writers on overcoming industry gatekeepers and why small presses can be a great path to publication.
• The Writing Process: Michele’s unconventional approach, including writing books on her phone at the beach, and why first drafts should never be "precious."
• Upcoming Opportunities: The Little Press is hosting a Twitter pitch event (#TLPpitch on March 20th), offering authors a chance to submit their work.

Conclusion

Michele McAvoy’s success story highlights the resilience and creativity required in the publishing industry. Whether you're an aspiring author or considering a small press for your work, this episode is full of valuable insights on making publishing dreams a reality.

Mentioned Links

🔗 Michele McAvoy’s website: michelemcavoy.com
🔗 The Little Press: littlepresspublishing.com
🔗 Writers With Wrinkles: writerswithwrinkles.net

📢 Don’t miss Beth and Lisa’s next Ask Us Anything episode on March 31st! Submit your questions via social media or through the podcast notes.

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In this episode of Writers with Wrinkles, Beth McMullen and Lisa Schmid talk with Meg Gaertner, managing editor of fiction at North Star Editions. Meg shares insights into middle grade and young adult publishing, the acquisitions process, and trends shaping the industry.

Guest Bio

Meg Gaertner is the managing editor of fiction at North Star Editions, acquiring titles for the Jolly Fish Press and Flux imprints. She is passionate about publishing books that expand perspectives, increase representation, and tackle complex topics with nuance. Her authors have received starred reviews, won awards, and made a lasting impact on young readers.

Key Discussion Points

• Middle Grade Market Trends: The growing demand for books targeting 13- to 15-year-old readers, the dominance of graphic novels, and the push for shorter middle grade books to compete with screen time.
• YA Market Trends: The continued popularity of "romantasy," the possible resurgence of dystopian fiction, and the enduring appeal of thrillers.
• The Acquisition Process: A deep dive into how North Star Editions evaluates and selects books, from submission to final approval.
• The Importance of Query Letters: Meg emphasizes the value of a well-structured query and how it signals an author's professionalism and commitment.
• Marketing & Author Collaboration: Why North Star Editions treats every book as a lead title and how an author's engagement can impact promotional support.
• Advice for Writers: “Less is more”—Meg encourages authors to streamline their writing to enhance pacing and emotional impact.

Conclusion

Meg Gaertner provides a rare behind-the-scenes look at the publishing process, offering invaluable advice for aspiring and experienced authors. From market trends to acquisition strategies, her insights help demystify the path to publication.

Mentioned Links

• Learn more about North Star Editions: northstareditions.com
• Connect with Writers with Wrinkles: writerswithwrinkles.net
• Follow Beth McMullen and Lisa Schmid on social media for updates and Q&A opportunities.

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