In this episode of the Beneath the Protocol series, Kambria Evans explores one of the most common points of confusion for EMDR therapists: target selection. While EMDR training teaches clinicians to identify target memories across the past, present, and future, real clinical work often looks very different.

Clients don't always present with clear memories. Sometimes they bring body sensations, emotional states, relational patterns, identity beliefs, protective parts, or a vague sense that "it's everything."

So what happens when the system doesn't organize around a single memory?

Kambria introduces the distinction between memory-based targeting and a systems-based approach through the Zero Disturbance Systems Method. You'll learn why experienced therapists often expand beyond traditional target selection, how system-wide activation changes the way we conceptualize EMDR treatment, and why tracking where disturbance is organized may be more clinically useful than searching for the "right" memory.

This conversation is especially valuable for EMDR therapists, Brainspotting practitioners, ART therapists, and trauma clinicians interested in brain-based therapy, nervous system regulation, complex trauma, and systems-informed treatment.

The question may not be:

"What memory should I target?"

The better question may be:

"Where is the system currently organizing disturbance?"

When therapists learn to track systems instead of chasing the perfect memory, EMDR becomes less rigid, more precise, and significantly easier to apply in complex trauma work.

The Consultation Program teaches the Zero Disturbance Systems Method, a systems-based framework designed to help therapists move beyond protocol dependency and develop greater confidence, clarity, and clinical discernment.

Designed for:

Inside the program, clinicians learn how to:

If you're ready to stop chasing the "right target" and start understanding the system in front of you, The Consultation Program was built for exactly that transition. Sign up today: https://www.zerodisturbance.com/consultation-2022 

Want to learn more about empowering yourself on your terms? If you appreciated this episode, here's more ways to learn with Kambria! https://www.zerodisturbance.com/workwithkambria

We also offer free resources for clients and therapists! Get access to our free client resource library for the most up-to-date tools and resources for your own journey.  

Therapists, access our favorite free resources for designing high-value offers in The Zero Disturbance Welcome Bundle, https://www.zerodisturbance.com/free-resources 

Note: This content is for informational purposes only and is not a substitute for professional therapy. If you’re experiencing difficulties, please seek guidance from a licensed mental health provider. All stories, examples, and characters shared are fictionalized or composite representations. Any resemblance to actual persons or situations is purely coincidental and intended solely for educational illustration. 

With a Masters in Education from Vanderbilt, Kambria has been creating trainings and teaching adult learners for over 20 years. As the Director of Education and Quality Improvement at Stanford Medical School, she created ease in complex systems, thereby giving medical trainees successful learning experiences. Now, as a dedicated mom, therapist, and EMDR Consultant, Kambria knows what it means to do things efficiently, effectively, and in a learner-centered way. When she isn't podcasting or creating online courses, you can find Kambria playing with her twins on a beach in California. 

One of the biggest frustrations EMDR clinicians face is the feeling that sessions aren't unfolding the way they were taught in basic training.

You identify a target.

You start processing.

And then everything shows up at once.

A memory from childhood.
An emotion in the present.
A fear about next week.
A moment of relief.

So what do you do?

In this episode of the Zero Disturbance Podcast, Kambria Evans explores why real trauma processing rarely follows a neat, linear path and why many clinicians feel stuck trying to force complex systems into rigid protocols.

You'll learn:

This conversation is especially valuable for EMDR therapists, Brainspotting therapists, ART therapists, and clinicians interested in brain-based therapy, nervous system healing, and complex trauma treatment. 

If you need support navigating trauma processing we’ve created the space just for you. Join The Consultation Program today! Enroll here: https://www.zerodisturbance.com/consultation-2022 

Want to learn more about empowering yourself on your terms? If you appreciated this episode, here's more ways to learn with Kambria! https://www.zerodisturbance.com/workwithkambria

We also offer free resources for clients and therapists! Get access to our free client resource library for the most up-to-date tools and resources for your own journey.  

Therapists, access our favorite free resources for designing high-value offers in The Zero Disturbance Welcome Bundle, https://www.zerodisturbance.com/free-resources 

Note: This content is for informational purposes only and is not a substitute for professional therapy. If you’re experiencing difficulties, please seek guidance from a licensed mental health provider. All stories, examples, and characters shared are fictionalized or composite representations. Any resemblance to actual persons or situations is purely coincidental and intended solely for educational illustration. 

With a Masters in Education from Vanderbilt, Kambria has been creating trainings and teaching adult learners for over 20 years. As the Director of Education and Quality Improvement at Stanford Medical School, she created ease in complex systems, thereby giving medical trainees successful learning experiences. Now, as a dedicated mom, therapist, and EMDR Consultant, Kambria knows what it means to do things efficiently, effectively, and in a learner-centered way. When she isn't podcasting or creating online courses, you can find Kambria playing with her twins on a beach in California. 

Are therapy protocols actually neutral?

In this episode of the Zero Disturbance Podcast, Kambria Evans explores the hidden value systems behind EMDR, Brainspotting, ART, and other trauma modalities—and why understanding those values is essential for effective, brain-based therapy.

While EMDR revolutionized trauma treatment, it was developed in a different scientific era—before modern neuroscience, systems thinking, and nervous system research reshaped how we understand healing.

This episode breaks down:

If you’ve ever felt like something in your sessions doesn’t fully make sense—this episode will give you language, clarity, and a new framework to work from.

Resources & Next Steps:

If you’re ready to move beyond rigid protocols and learn how to work with the nervous system and full system organization of your clients:

👉 Apply for The Consultation Program: https://www.zerodisturbance.com/consultation-2022 

Inside, you’ll learn:

Brainspotting and ART clinicians are welcome!

Want to learn more about empowering yourself on your terms? If you appreciated this episode, here's more ways to learn with Kambria! https://www.zerodisturbance.com/workwithkambria

We also offer free resources for clients and therapists! Get access to our free client resource library for the most up-to-date tools and resources for your own journey.  

Therapists, access our favorite free resources for designing high-value offers in The Zero Disturbance Welcome Bundle, https://www.zerodisturbance.com/free-resources 

Note: This content is for informational purposes only and is not a substitute for professional therapy. If you’re experiencing difficulties, please seek guidance from a licensed mental health provider. All stories, examples, and characters shared are fictionalized or composite representations. Any resemblance to actual persons or situations is purely coincidental and intended solely for educational illustration. 

With a Masters in Education from Vanderbilt, Kambria has been creating trainings and teaching adult learners for over 20 years. As the Director of Education and Quality Improvement at Stanford Medical School, she created ease in complex systems, thereby giving medical trainees successful learning experiences. Now, as a dedicated mom, therapist, and EMDR Consultant, Kambria knows what it means to do things efficiently, effectively, and in a learner-centered way. When she isn't podcasting or creating online courses, you can find Kambria playing with her twins on a beach in California.

If you’ve ever felt like you’re constantly adjusting, rescuing, or managing your EMDR sessions… this episode will change how you see everything.

In this episode of the Zero Disturbance Podcast, we break down why EMDR gets “stuck”—and why the modifications you’re using might actually be signals from the system, not problems to fix.

This is a must-listen for clinicians working with:

This episode reframes trauma therapy through a brain-based, systems lens—so you can stop overmanaging sessions and start working with clarity and ease.

👉 If this sounds familiar, you’re not the only one running into this.
Watch the full episode to understand what’s actually happening—and how to work with it.

The Zero Disturbance Consultation Program is where clinicians learn how to:

✔️ Open to EMDR, Brainspotting, and ART clinicians

👉 Apply here: https://www.zerodisturbance.com/consultation-2022 

Want to learn more about empowering yourself on your terms? If you appreciated this episode, here's more ways to learn with Kambria! https://www.zerodisturbance.com/workwithkambria

We also offer free resources for clients and therapists! Get access to our free client resource library for the most up-to-date tools and resources for your own journey.  

Therapists, access our favorite free resources for designing high-value offers in The Zero Disturbance Welcome Bundle, https://www.zerodisturbance.com/free-resources 

Note: This content is for informational purposes only and is not a substitute for professional therapy. If you’re experiencing difficulties, please seek guidance from a licensed mental health provider. All stories, examples, and characters shared are fictionalized or composite representations. Any resemblance to actual persons or situations is purely coincidental and intended solely for educational illustration.  

With a Masters in Education from Vanderbilt, Kambria has been creating trainings and teaching adult learners for over 20 years. As the Director of Education and Quality Improvement at Stanford Medical School, she created ease in complex systems, thereby giving medical trainees successful learning experiences. Now, as a dedicated mom, therapist, and EMDR Consultant, Kambria knows what it means to do things efficiently, effectively, and in a learner-centered way. When she isn't podcasting or creating online courses, you can find Kambria playing with her twins on a beach in California.

Why does EMDR feel so confusing after basic training—even when you’re “doing it right”?

In this episode of the Zero Disturbance Podcast, Kambria Evans breaks down the 10 most common frustrations EMDR clinicians experience and the missing piece that changes everything: understanding the system, not just the protocol.

This is a must-listen for clinicians working in brain-based therapy, trauma therapy, EMDR, Brainspotting, and ART.

You’ll learn:

Ready to stop guessing and actually understand what’s happening in session?
Apply for The Consultation Program (EMDR, Brainspotting & ART therapists welcome): https://www.zerodisturbance.com/consultation-2022 

Listen to What EMDR Training Didn’t Teach You [Beneath the Protocol Series] now: (link)

Want to learn more about empowering yourself on your terms? If you appreciated this episode, here's more ways to learn with Kambria! https://www.zerodisturbance.com/workwithkambria

We also offer free resources for clients and therapists! Get access to our free client resource library for the most up-to-date tools and resources for your own journey.  

Therapists, access our favorite free resources for designing high-value offers in The Zero Disturbance Welcome Bundle, https://www.zerodisturbance.com/free-resources 

Note: This content is for informational purposes only and is not a substitute for professional therapy. If you’re experiencing difficulties, please seek guidance from a licensed mental health provider. All stories, examples, and characters shared are fictionalized or composite representations. Any resemblance to actual persons or situations is purely coincidental and intended solely for educational illustration. 

With a Masters in Education from Vanderbilt, Kambria has been creating trainings and teaching adult learners for over 20 years. As the Director of Education and Quality Improvement at Stanford Medical School, she created ease in complex systems, thereby giving medical trainees successful learning experiences. Now, as a dedicated mom, therapist, and EMDR Consultant, Kambria knows what it means to do things efficiently, effectively, and in a learner-centered way. When she isn't podcasting or creating online courses, you can find Kambria playing with her twins on a beach in California. 

Why does EMDR sometimes feel like it stops working?

In this episode of the Zero Disturbance podcast, Kambria Evans breaks down one of the most misunderstood concepts in EMDR and trauma therapy: dissociation.

If you’ve ever experienced:

This episode will help you make sense of it through a brain-based therapy lens.

You’ll learn:

This is essential listening for EMDR clinicians working with:

If you’ve ever felt stuck, confused, or underprepared working with dissociation—this is exactly why the Zero Disturbance Consultation Program exists.

Inside, we teach:
✔️ How dissociation structures access in real time
✔️ Parts-informed, brain-based EMDR
✔️ Nervous system tracking + system mapping
✔️ What to do when EMDR “stops working” with the Zero Disturbance Systems Method
✔️ How to work with complex trauma safely and confidently

👉 Apply here: https://www.zerodisturbance.com/consultation-2022 

Want to learn more about empowering yourself on your terms? If you appreciated this episode, here's more ways to learn with Kambria! https://www.zerodisturbance.com/workwithkambria

We also offer free resources for clients and therapists! Get access to our free client resource library for the most up-to-date tools and resources for your own journey.  

Therapists, access our favorite free resources for designing high-value offers in The Zero Disturbance Welcome Bundle, https://www.zerodisturbance.com/free-resources 

Note: This content is for informational purposes only and is not a substitute for professional therapy. If you’re experiencing difficulties, please seek guidance from a licensed mental health provider. All stories, examples, and characters shared are fictionalized or composite representations. Any resemblance to actual persons or situations is purely coincidental and intended solely for educational illustration. 

With a Masters in Education from Vanderbilt, Kambria has been creating trainings and teaching adult learners for over 20 years. As the Director of Education and Quality Improvement at Stanford Medical School, she created ease in complex systems, thereby giving medical trainees successful learning experiences. Now, as a dedicated mom, therapist, and EMDR Consultant, Kambria knows what it means to do things efficiently, effectively, and in a learner-centered way. When she isn't podcasting or creating online courses, you can find Kambria playing with her twins on a beach in California.

What happens when standard EMDR protocol isn’t enough?

In this episode, Kambria Evans breaks down the Zero Disturbance Protocol Map for EMDR and explains why basic EMDR training often falls short when working with:

If you’ve ever felt frustrated as a clinician—or overwhelmed as a client during EMDR—this conversation will make it make sense.

Kambria explores:

This episode is especially valuable for clinicians wanting to confidently treat developmental trauma and dissociation using a more nuanced, brain-based approach.

If you’re EMDR-trained but still feeling stuck with complex clients, this is exactly why The Zero Disturbance Consultation Program exists.

Inside the 6-month program, clinicians learn:

👉 Apply here https://www.zerodisturbance.com/consultation-2022

Want to learn more about empowering yourself on your terms? If you appreciated this episode, here's more ways to learn with Kambria! https://www.zerodisturbance.com/workwithkambria

We also offer free resources for clients and therapists! Get access to our free client resource library for the most up-to-date tools and resources for your own journey.  

Therapists, access our favorite free resources for designing high-value offers in The Zero Disturbance Welcome Bundle, https://www.zerodisturbance.com/free-resources 

Note: This content is for informational purposes only and is not a substitute for professional therapy. If you’re experiencing difficulties, please seek guidance from a licensed mental health provider. All stories, examples, and characters shared are fictionalized or composite representations. Any resemblance to actual persons or situations is purely coincidental and intended solely for educational illustration. 

With a Masters in Education from Vanderbilt, Kambria has been creating trainings and teaching adult learners for over 20 years. As the Director of Education and Quality Improvement at Stanford Medical School, she created ease in complex systems, thereby giving medical trainees successful learning experiences. Now, as a dedicated mom, therapist, and EMDR Consultant, Kambria knows what it means to do things efficiently, effectively, and in a learner-centered way. When she isn't podcasting or creating online courses, you can find Kambria playing with her twins on a beach in California.

Why does EMDR therapy sometimes feel overwhelming—or just not work?

If you’re a clinician or client who’s asked,
“Why didn’t this work for me?”—Kambria Evans breaks this down in this episode of the Zero Disturbance podcast. 

Here’s the truth:
👉 EMDR works for trauma
👉 But not all trauma is the same

When it comes to developmental trauma, dissociation, and complex nervous systems, the standard EMDR protocol often isn’t enough.

And when it’s applied without that understanding, clients can leave feeling:

They didn’t.

If EMDR standard protocol hasn’t been working the way you expected…

You’re not doing it wrong.
You were just never trained for this level of complexity.

This is exactly why I created the Zero Disturbance Consultation Program.

For EMDR-trained clinicians who want to:
✔️ Work confidently with complex trauma
✔️ Understand dissociation and parts systems
✔️ Stop guessing in sessions

Inside, we’re together for 6 months, focusing on:

👉 Apply here https://www.zerodisturbance.com/consultation-2022

Want to learn more about empowering yourself on your terms? If you appreciated this episode, here's more ways to learn with Kambria! https://www.zerodisturbance.com/workwithkambria

We also offer free resources for clients and therapists! Get access to our free client resource library for the most up-to-date tools and resources for your own journey.  

Therapists, access our favorite free resources for designing high-value offers in The Zero Disturbance Welcome Bundle, https://www.zerodisturbance.com/free-resources 

Note: This content is for informational purposes only and is not a substitute for professional therapy. If you’re experiencing difficulties, please seek guidance from a licensed mental health provider. All stories, examples, and characters shared are fictionalized or composite representations. Any resemblance to actual persons or situations is purely coincidental and intended solely for educational illustration. 

With a Masters in Education from Vanderbilt, Kambria has been creating trainings and teaching adult learners for over 20 years. As the Director of Education and Quality Improvement at Stanford Medical School, she created ease in complex systems, thereby giving medical trainees successful learning experiences. Now, as a dedicated mom, therapist, and EMDR Consultant, Kambria knows what it means to do things efficiently, effectively, and in a learner-centered way. When she isn't podcasting or creating online courses, you can find Kambria playing with her twins on a beach in California. 

In this episode of Zero Disturbance Podcast, Kambria Evans explores a powerful reframe: confusion is not a flaw—it’s a nervous system signal. Through a brain-based therapy lens, she explains how confusion often arises when your internal knowing conflicts with external input—and how this moment is actually an opportunity for deep healing and clarity.

Drawing from EMDR therapy, attachment theory, and nervous system regulation, Kambria shows how many women are conditioned to override their intuition to maintain connection—leading to cycles of self-doubt, mixed signals, and emotional dysregulation.

This episode teaches you how to use confusion as a diagnostic tool instead of a problem to fix, helping you strengthen self-trust, reduce anxiety, and stay grounded in your truth.

Want to learn more about empowering yourself on your terms? If you appreciated this episode, here's more ways to learn with Kambria! https://www.zerodisturbance.com/workwithkambria

We also offer free resources for clients and therapists! Get access to our free client resource library for the most up-to-date tools and resources for your own journey.  

Therapists, access our favorite free resources for designing high-value offers in The Zero Disturbance Welcome Bundle, https://www.zerodisturbance.com/free-resources 

Note: This content is for informational purposes only and is not a substitute for professional therapy. If you’re experiencing difficulties, please seek guidance from a licensed mental health provider. All stories, examples, and characters shared are fictionalized or composite representations. Any resemblance to actual persons or situations is purely coincidental and intended solely for educational illustration. 

With a Masters in Education from Vanderbilt, Kambria has been creating trainings and teaching adult learners for over 20 years. As the Director of Education and Quality Improvement at Stanford Medical School, she created ease in complex systems, thereby giving medical trainees successful learning experiences. Now, as a dedicated mom, therapist, and EMDR Consultant, Kambria knows what it means to do things efficiently, effectively, and in a learner-centered way. When she isn't podcasting or creating online courses, you can find Kambria playing with her twins on a beach in California. 

If you’ve ever left therapy thinking, “Why am I still stuck?”—this episode is for you.

In this episode of the Zero Disturbance Podcast, Kambria Evans breaks down one of the most important truths in modern mental health: insight alone does not create change.

Many therapy approaches focus on talking, analyzing, and understanding patterns—but real transformation requires brain-based therapy techniques that rewire the nervous system.

You’ll learn why traditional talk therapy can leave clients feeling frustrated, and how approaches like EMDR, brainspotting, and somatic therapy create lasting change.

If therapy isn’t working, it’s not because you’re broken—it may be because your brain hasn’t been invited to change yet.

Want to learn more about empowering yourself on your terms? If you appreciated this episode, here's more ways to learn with Kambria! https://www.zerodisturbance.com/workwithkambria

We also offer free resources for clients and therapists! Get access to our free client resource library for the most up-to-date tools and resources for your own journey.  

Therapists, access our favorite free resources for designing high-value offers in The Zero Disturbance Welcome Bundle, https://www.zerodisturbance.com/free-resources 

Note: This content is for informational purposes only and is not a substitute for professional therapy. If you’re experiencing difficulties, please seek guidance from a licensed mental health provider. All stories, examples, and characters shared are fictionalized or composite representations. Any resemblance to actual persons or situations is purely coincidental and intended solely for educational illustration. 

With a Masters in Education from Vanderbilt, Kambria has been creating trainings and teaching adult learners for over 20 years. As the Director of Education and Quality Improvement at Stanford Medical School, she created ease in complex systems, thereby giving medical trainees successful learning experiences. Now, as a dedicated mom, therapist, and EMDR Consultant, Kambria knows what it means to do things efficiently, effectively, and in a learner-centered way. When she isn't podcasting or creating online courses, you can find Kambria playing with her twins on a beach in California.