Friendship: it may feel like the most natural thing in the world, but it is NEVER the most straightforward! We sat down and talked about all of the big friendship moments: making friends, keeping those friends and, when the time comes, letting those friends go (or being let go!). We've had quite a few experiences of friendship breakdown and, let us tell you, it never gets easier.

You can follow Rosemary on Instagram @rosemarymaccabe; Beatrice is @beatricemaccabe and you'll find us both on the podcast Instagram @notwithoutmysis. For show notes, sporadic blog posts and assorted random things associated with the podcast, check out our website, notwithoutmysis.com. Want to get in touch? Email us on [email protected].

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Not Without My Sister is presented by sisters Beatrice Mac Cabe and Rosemary Mac Cabe, in Fort Wayne, Indiana. Editing is by Liam Geraghty. Sound editing and original music by Don Kirkland. Original illustration by Lindsay Neilson. Not Without My Sister is a production of The Warren.

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