This week, Sam and Dave are joined by a very special guest: Synthetic Fidji. Yes, an AI version of Fidji Simo, created after the real one politely declined (hey, the show must go on, okay?).

They get into:

• the bull and bear case for vibe coding
• Gemini vs. GPT (is Sam having second thoughts?)
• why GitHub might be quietly, ruthlessly winning the AI dev race
• the identity crisis no one’s cracked with LLMs

Plus: OpenAI just spent $6 billion on hardware to team up with Jony Ive, the MEO phone is suddenly everywhere, and more.

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00:00 Introduction

01:24 OpenAI CEO of Applications?

07:55 Tools that ACTUALLY work

18:47 Is everyone lying about vibe coding?

43:10 The big identity problem with LLMs (and Zapier)

52:26 Google I/O: "Who cares?"

54:13 Is OpenAI big tech? They buy Jony Ive's startup

56:17 The "hyper-viral" Methaphone. How?

59:40 Outro