In this episode of Not Without My Sister, we take a walk down memory lane and discuss our secondary school experiences. Beatrice's seemed largely (if you'll excuse the pun) around her great stature and a traumatic P.E. experience, while Rosemary was more preoccupied with boys (shocker) and why her teachers didn't want to be her best friends.

There are a lot of references, weirdly, in this episode – perhaps because it's about education. Who knows! Anyway, in case anything piqued your interest . . .

• Dr Tomas Chamarro Premuzic's TED Talk (again)
• Dr Death on Wondery (again!)
• Joe Rogan – the episode we listened to, FYI, was this one. If you'd like to listen and discuss it, DM us on Instagram!
• The H3 Podcast, as recommended by Don
• Meet Your Maker's episode on Don Bluth's trip to Ireland to set up an animation studio on our fair isle
• Anne of Green Gables
• The full collection of Jane Austen
• Jimín Mháire Thaidhg
• An Triail (honestly how / why did they teach this to kids?!)
• Roll of Thunder, Hear My Cry by Mildred D. Taylor
• To Kill a Mockingbird by Harper Lee
• Wuthering Heights by Emily Brontë

You can follow Rosemary on Instagram @rosemarymaccabe; Beatrice is @beatricemaccabe and you'll find us both on the podcast Instagram @notwithoutmysis. Our Facebook page is here! For show notes, sporadic blog posts and assorted random things associated with the podcast, check out our website, notwithoutmysis.com. Want to get in touch? Email us on [email protected].

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Not Without My Sister is presented by sisters Beatrice Mac Cabe and Rosemary Mac Cabe, in Fort Wayne, Indiana. Editing is by Liam Geraghty. Sound editing and original music by Don Kirkland. Original illustration by Lindsay Neilson. Not Without My Sister is a member of the Warren, the home of great Irish podcasts.

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