Is there any hope for humanity? Has God given up on us? Andrew Arndt is his new book Streams in the Wasteland tackles these questions. He points us to the desert fathers and mothers who faced some of the same questions in the 3rd century, less than 300 years from Christ's death and resurrection.

It's a great and hope filled conversation with Andrew.

Andrew Arndt is the Lead Pastor of New Life East (one of seven congregations of New Life Church in Colorado Springs), where he also hosts the Essential Church podcast, a weekly conversation designed to strengthen the thinking of church and ministry leaders.