Podcast time! This time I have the chance to talk to the judo brown belt owning CTO of the scooter& mobility startup TIER mobility Matthias Laug.

Before TIER he co-founded Lieferando and boy, he's a nice guest to talk to.

We spoke about:

* Why he puts people over tech

* What they use to run their large IoT stack

* His vision of Scooters talking to each other in a huge mesh

* Why he after founding Lieferando and having a large exit still started at Thoughtworks

* When to not do backflips even if you perfected doing them

He also briefly mentions Eric Bowman, Martin Fowler and Pat Kua who have one thing in common: I did not interview them for the alphalist podcast - Would be happy to chat with you guys too! :)