Fi and Jane catch up with broadcaster and scientist Adam Rutherford, presenter of Radio 4's Inside Science and the Curious Case of Rutherford and Fry.

He finds the ladies on the 4th floor of BBC NBH, fresh from reminiscing about Kevin Keegan. Adam tells them about his very special cricket team what its like to share a studio with Woman's Hour. Big issues out of the way they then delve into the light matter of genetics...Adam's new book explores the relationship between science and ideas of race and genealogy. He reveals some interest truths for Fi and Jane about their own ancestry and also about dating in Iceland.

Before Adam drops in: Jane continues her computer course, courtesy of generous listeners and Fi reveals what it's like to get your eyelashes permed.