Today on the show, we welcome Scott Kiloby and Toshi Matsunaga, authors of Awake But Sick, to explore the hidden emotional pain that can persist even after profound spiritual awakening. Their work challenges the common myths of nonduality and mindfulness, offering a deeper path through emotional repression, physical illness, and the illusion of immediate freedom. In this conversation, we explore the gap between awakening and true healing, the dangers of spiritual bypassing, and how to reconnect with the body’s wisdom to find lasting peace.

Links 

Kiloby.com

Nondualship with Toshi Matsunaga

Nonduality & KI Monthly Meeting with Toshi

Awake But Sick

Emotional Repression Test Inquiry

Topics

00:00 Introduction to Guests and Their Work

01:34 Scott and Toshi's Journey to Collaboration

02:31 Understanding Kiloby Inquiries (KI)

03:12 The Dimensions of Spiritual Practice

04:54 Addressing Spiritual Bypassing

08:48 The Connection Between Awakening and Suffering

12:26 The Role of Repressed Emotions

15:28 Integrating Non-Dual Teachings with Modern Psychosis

25:49 The Iceberg Metaphor and Emotional Repression

29:13 The Role of Spiritual Practices in Repression

31:35 Identifying Patterns of Avoidance and Spiritual Bypassing

32:49 Signs of Repression in Meditation and Spiritual Practices

36:31 Understanding and Addressing Anger Repression

46:54 The Importance of Community in Spiritual Work

52:20 Connecting with the Speakers and Their Work

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