Need to dig yourself out of a hole? Viv Groskop talks to Indra Nooyi, the former chair and CEO of PepsiCo. She may be regularly listed as one of the world's most powerful woman, but as a woman of colour she explains how she always felt like she started at a disadvantage, in a hole that she had to dig herself out of. She explains how important it is to avoid anything that takes the focus away from what you have to say, why society needs to support families - and why stomach butterflies are brilliant.

Indra's book My Life in Full: Work, Family and Our Future is out now.

Viv's book, Lift As You Climb is also out now.

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