What's the worst that could happen? Viv Groskop talks to the lawyer, TV host and motivational speaker Mel Robbins about facing bankruptcy, unemployment and divorce - and how she completely turned her life around to become one of the top speakers on the circuit and a viral sensation. They talk the five second rule, the high five habit, and why your new mantra should be: "Usually, I'm double". Oh, and what it's like to literally wet yourself on stage.

You can find out more about Mel at melrobbins.com

Viv's book, Lift As You Climb is also out now.

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