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Hey! Hi! Today a passing comment about pediatricians leads to a wide-ranging discussion about the things we read, watch, and obsess over. Jess and Caroline explore an assortment of interests, including the evolving experience of childhood and their personal relationships to learning. Then they go deep on such admittedly shallow fare as The Secret Lives of Mormon Wives, Traitors, and Temptation Island. Would you ever go on a reality TV show?

This episode was produced by Kasia Houlihan. (⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠cargocollective.com/kasiahoulihan⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠)

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Intro Music: “Doja Dance” by PALA

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