On surveillance, is Europe unfairly picking on the United States? The Snowden leaks focused outrage on the NSA, but some experts say that the European Union and privacy advocates should focus on the real offenders like Russia and China — and argue that Europe’s surveillance and law enforcement agencies may have even easier access to Europeans’ data than is true in the U.S. Evan is joined by Stewart Baker, a partner at Steptoe & Johnson and formerly the Assistant Secretary for Policy at the Department of Homeland Security. They discuss transatlantic data flows, what the EU has in common with North Korea, and Stewart’s proposed Europocrisy prize.