In this episode, I sit down with fellow endurance coach Joe Howdyshell and elite athlete (and Olympic hopeful) Cam Smith for what turned into a true badass class on endurance training, mindset, and long-term athletic development. Joe is the author of Badass Class, and this conversation dives deep into the big-picture principles that actually move the needle—without getting lost in spreadsheets, buzzwords, or social-media noise.

We talk about why general training lays the foundation for everything that comes later, and why so many athletes overestimate what they can do in six weeks while underestimating what’s possible over a year—or a decade. Joe breaks down first principles like volume, intensity, stress, and recovery, while Cam shares real-world perspective from racing at the highest level and navigating injuries, setbacks, and evolving goals.

We also explore the often-overlooked skills that support great training: life skills, athlete skills, coping strategies, and the importance of having tools beyond exercise to manage stress. From fueling and sleep to fun, flexibility, and knowing when to push—and when to walk it out in the woods—this conversation is about staying healthy, consistent, and excited for the long haul.

Whether you’re a beginner, a seasoned endurance athlete, or a coach trying to simplify your approach, this episode is packed with practical wisdom, honest reflections, and plenty of laughs. The basics work—and this is a masterclass in why.

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