In a Fortunately first, the writer Jon Ronson joins Fi and Jane for his second appearance on the podcast. The author of So You've Been Publicly Shamed and host of The Last Days of August tells them about his new podcast Things Fell Apart, exploring tales form the culture wars. Before Jon zooms in, Jane has crane fantasies and there's a shout out to listeners currently having the snip.

Things Fell Apart is available on BBC Sounds, where you can also hear an audiobook version of So You've Been Publicly Shamed. Get in touch: [email protected]