For this episode of Mutations, Henry Andrews joins me for a conversation on the emergence of "Hellametamodernism," the tensions between 'systems poets' and 'meta theory' in metamodern and Game B community discourse, and how Nora Bateson's "aphanipoiesis" offers a different approach to "going meta."

BIO: Henry Andrews is self-taught Gravesian theorist whose interests include examining the theory with a critical eye, and searching for applications beyond those popularized through Spiral Dynamics. He is currently developing an embodied conversational ritual based on Gravesian patterns and other concepts.  

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