In Part Two, Sande takes us into the quieter—but more honest—chapter that followed. He shares what happened when he stepped off the growth treadmill, redefined ambition, and began unlearning the beliefs that kept him over-performing and under-listening. From rebuilding marriage to carving out what he calls Life Peels, Sande shares what it means to grow by subtracting—not stacking.

Key Highlights of Our Interview:

Life After the Climb

“What would happen if I just got really quiet and listened? Not learned—listened.”

The Life Peels Method

“We’re like Michelangelo’s David. You don’t need to add anything—you just need to carve away what’s not you.”

Redefining Growth

 “I’m done with strategy decks and trying to prove something. I just want clarity, ease, and to feel good in my skin.”

Marriage in the In-Between

“When our last kid left for college, we both needed space. Not because it was broken—but because we hadn’t had it before.”

How Less Became More

“When I let go of trying to control everything, the right things started happening. On their own.”

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