Almost everything your doctor knows about you comes from a snapshot: a blood pressure reading, an annual lab, a handful of numbers meant to represent a constantly changing human body.

That's beginning to change. New sensors promise far more continuous health data, and AI may finally give us the ability to interpret it. But medicine has been through a data revolution before, and almost none of what people initially promised actually happened.

In the first episode of NextLevel, Mike Haney sits down with Dr. Robert Wachter, Chair of the Department of Medicine at UCSF and one of medicine's leading thinkers on technological change, to ask what healthcare's messy transition from paper to electronic records can teach us about the AI era.

Wachter explains why digitizing medicine didn't transform care on its own, why your doctor is already overwhelmed by data, and why simply sending them continuous feeds from your watch, ring, or future sensors would make the problem worse.

The missing piece is an intelligence layer: a system capable of deciding what matters, helping patients act when they can, and pulling clinicians in when they're actually needed.

They also explore how AI is changing the balance of knowledge between doctors and patients, the danger of trusting systems that are usually right, what healthcare can learn from airplane cockpits, and why collecting more health data may be much easier than figuring out what any of it means.

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🎙️ About the Guest:

Dr. Robert M. Wachter is Professor and Chair of the Department of Medicine at the University of California, San Francisco. He’s also the author of six books, including the 2015 bestseller The Digital Doctor, which examined medicine's transition from paper to electronic health records, and 2026’s A Giant Leap: How AI Is Transforming Healthcare and What That Means for Our Future, his examination of generative AI's arrival in medicine.

📍What Dr.Robert Watcher & Mike Haney discussed:

• 0:00 — Dr. Wachter and medicine's technological revolutions
• 7:00 — How healthcare finally went digital
• 12:40 — Why digitizing healthcare didn't fix it
• 19:00 — AI is fixing problems computers created
• 29:40 — Does AI know more medicine than your doctor?
• 33:00 — The hidden danger of trusting computers
• 42:30 — What healthcare can learn from airplane cockpits
• 56:15 — Why medicine has to move beyond the office visit
• 58:20 — Healthcare's missing intelligence layer
• 1:04:20 — Why more health data isn't enough

🔗 Helpful Links:

• Dr. Robert Wachter, UCSF Department of Medicine: https://medicine.ucsf.edu/people/robert-wachter
• A Giant Leap: How AI Is Transforming Healthcare and What That Means for Our Future: https://bookshop.org/p/books/a-giant-leap-how-ai-is-transforming-healthcare-and-what-that-means-for-our-future-robert-wachter/e6a7ecb6556f9f02
• The Digital Doctor: Hope, Hype, and Harm at the Dawn of Medicine's Computer Age: https://bookshop.org/p/books/the-digital-doctor-hope-hype-and-harm-at-the-dawn-of-medicine-s-computer-age-robert-wachter/9187727
• Pattern Recognition, Dr. Wachter's newsletter on AI and healthcare: https://robertwachter.substack.com/
• Dr. Robert Wachter on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/robert-wachter-3102b963/

Watch the conversation: https://youtu.be/762DTOa7uTY

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