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Mariana Mazzucato, author (with Rosie Collington) of The Big Con: How the Consulting Industry Weakens Our Businesses, Infantilizes Our Governments, and Warps Our Economies, joins The Realignment. Mariana and Marshall discuss how her critique of consulting fits into her previous work on the future of capitalism, the failures of "expert" consultants in business and government, from Healthcare.gov to COVID,  and what a reformed role for the industry looks like.