What if the biggest barrier to innovation isn’t a lack of ideas—but a mountain of pointless work?

In Part Two of this series, Lisa Bodell, CEO of FutureThink and one of the world’s top speakers on simplification, walks us through her strategy to make work—and life—less overwhelming and more meaningful. She shares how organizations like Pfizer and Google cut clutter to free up creativity, and how we can do the same in our personal lives. Lisa also gets personal about parenting, mental health, and why she believes simplicity is a survival skill in the age of AI.

From ditching unnecessary meetings to raising future-ready kids, this episode is a manual for letting go of the noise and doubling down on what matters.

Key Highlights of Our Interview:

Why Simplicity Is a Leadership Strategy

“Simplification isn’t organizing. It’s deletion. If you removed just 10% of your clutter—mental or physical—your life would transform.”

Kill a Stupid Rule (Redux)

“Pfizer didn’t need more innovation. They needed fewer barriers. Killing one pointless process saved them thousands of hours.”

Busy ≠ Valuable

“We’ve rewarded ‘more’ instead of ‘meaningful.’ Hustle culture thrives on this lie—and it’s breaking people.”

Personal Simplicity Starts with Self-Audit

“Write down everything you do in a month. Circle what’s meaningful. Now ask: what can you delete, delegate, or decline?”

How to Say No Without Burning Bridges

“Try saying: ‘Yes, if…’ instead of ‘Yes, and…’ Boundaries are the gateway to better work.”

AI vs. Human Intelligence

“AI gives you answers. But it can’t ask the right questions. That’s where human intelligence still leads.”

What Schools Get Wrong About the Future

“We’re training kids to be future employees, not future humans. That’s got to change.”

Redefining Learning with Power Skills

“Forget soft skills—they’re power skills now. Curiosity, resilience, empathy: these will matter more than any degree.”

Raising Future-Ready Humans

“My daughter trained with the FBI. My son wants to be an entrepreneur. I bring them to my talks so they see work in action.”

Why Simplicity Is a Mental Health Imperative

“It’s not about doing less—it’s about doing more of what matters. Simplicity doesn’t just help work. It heals people.”

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