When Rachel Trobman was diagnosed with non-specific connective tissue disease, the rheumatologist who diagnosed her showed her that healthcare could go beyond personalized: it could be humanized. Today, that principle plays out on Ouchie, an app for pain management created by Upside Health, the company she co-founded. On today's episode, Rachel and I talk about treating the symptoms versus the disease, and how Ouchie supports people so that they can live their lives while managing their pain.

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