Outward: Slate's LGBTQ podcast

7: Dress Rehearsals | When We All Get to Heaven


Listen Later

Scott and Bruce were the hottest couple in church. Scott, a hula dancer, seemed destined for Bruce, the hunky “lumbersexual,” and the church delighted when they got together. Their brief love affair sparkled before Bruce got sick and died. Their story is one of multiple “dress rehearsals”– when friends, family and lovers went through AIDS with their loved ones wondering who would be next and sometimes knowing it might be you. 

You can see Scott perform in a 1992 InterPlay piece called “God, Sex and Power” here. He’s the one with the bandaids on his knees. 

Singing Positive is a two-part documentary film about the San Francisco Gay Men’s Chorus (SFGMC) and its experience with AIDS that spans 15 years. The first film, which featured Scott, was produced in 1992 and is hard to find online. The second film, produced in 2009, saw the filmmakers return to SFGMC to explore the impact of AIDS on the chorus over time. The 2009 film, with clips of Scott from the first film, is here. And you can watch some amazing SFGMC performances on their YouTube channel here

Scott’s San Francisco hula school was Nā Lei Hulu I Ka Wēkiu. They celebrated their 40th anniversary in 2025. Scott’s teacher and friend, Kumu Patrick Makuakāne is in the 2023 cohort of MacArthur Fellows. His recent work includes Māhū, a work by and with trans hula performers.  

On the MCC in Hawai’i, see the Queer Histories of Hawai’i’s story here

For images and links about this episode visit https://www.heavenpodcast.org/episode-7

When We All Get to Heaven is produced by Eureka Street Productions. It is co-created by Lynne Gerber, Siri Colom, and Ariana Nedelman. Our story editor is Sayre Quevedo. Our sound designer is David Herman. Our managing producer is Krissy Clark. Tim Dillinger is our consulting producer and Betsy Towner Levine is our fact-checker. We had additional story editing help from Sarah Ventre, Arwen Nicks, Allison Behringer, and Krissy Clark. For a complete list of credits, please visit https://www.heavenpodcast.org/credits.

This project received generous support from individual donors, the Henry Luce Foundation (www.hluce.org), the E. Rhodes and Leona B. Carpenter Foundation, and California Humanities, a non-profit partner of the National Endowment for the Humanities (www.CalHum.org).

Eureka Street Productions has 501c3 status through our fiscal sponsor FJC: A Foundation of Philanthropic Funds.

The music for this episode is from the Metropolitan Community Church of San Francisco’s archive. It was performed by MCC-SF’s musicians and members with Bob Crocker and Jack Hoggatt-St.John as music directors. Additional music is by Domestic BGM

“Spirit of the Living God” is by Daniel Iverson.

“In the Garden,” also known as “I Come to the Garden Alone” is by C. Austin Miles. It’s the favorite hymn of many a Christain mother, aunt, and grandmother. The soloist is Juliette Galuteria, Scott Galuteria and Brickwood Galuteria’s mother 

“God Prepare Me to Be a Sanctuary” is by Randy Scruggs and John Thompson.  

Special thanks to the friends and experts who helped us think through this episode. 

  • Frank DeLuca

    • William Salit and Stan Stone

    • Dr. Rachel Gross

    • Dr. Christopher Cantwell

      Great thanks, as always, to the members and clergy of the Metropolitan Community Church of San Francisco who made this project possible.  

      Some links to good groups:

      The Hawai’i Health and Harm Reduction Center – reducing the harm and fighting the stigma of HIV in Hawai’i. 

      International EMS and Firefighter Pride Alliance – courage over adversity. 


      Get more Outward with Slate Plus! Join for weekly bonus episodes of Outward and ad-free listening on all your favorite Slate podcasts. Subscribe from the Outward show page on Apple Podcasts or Spotify, or visit slate.com/outwardplus for access wherever you listen.

      Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

      ...more
      View all episodesView all episodes
      Download on the App Store

      Outward: Slate's LGBTQ podcastBy Slate Podcasts

      • 4.1
      • 4.1
      • 4.1
      • 4.1
      • 4.1

      4.1

      221 ratings


      More shows like Outward: Slate's LGBTQ podcast

      View all
      Fresh Air by NPR

      Fresh Air

      38,494 Listeners

      Pop Culture Happy Hour by NPR

      Pop Culture Happy Hour

      11,522 Listeners

      On the Media by WNYC Studios

      On the Media

      9,181 Listeners

      Whistlestop: Presidential History and Trivia by Slate Podcasts

      Whistlestop: Presidential History and Trivia

      1,376 Listeners

      Amicus With Dahlia Lithwick | Law, justice, and the courts by Slate Podcasts

      Amicus With Dahlia Lithwick | Law, justice, and the courts

      3,534 Listeners

      Slate Debates by Slate Podcasts

      Slate Debates

      2,843 Listeners

      Hang Up and Listen by Slate Podcasts

      Hang Up and Listen

      998 Listeners

      Care and Feeding | Slate's parenting show by Slate Podcasts

      Care and Feeding | Slate's parenting show

      1,030 Listeners

      Death, Sex & Money by Slate Podcasts

      Death, Sex & Money

      7,749 Listeners

      Slate News by Slate Podcasts

      Slate News

      5,639 Listeners

      Code Switch by NPR

      Code Switch

      14,630 Listeners

      Slate Culture by Slate Podcasts

      Slate Culture

      1,875 Listeners

      Slate Health by Slate Podcasts

      Slate Health

      53 Listeners

      Hit Parade | Music History and Music Trivia by Slate Podcasts

      Hit Parade | Music History and Music Trivia

      2,075 Listeners

      What Next: TBD | Tech, power, and the future by Slate Podcasts

      What Next: TBD | Tech, power, and the future

      243 Listeners

      Slow Burn by Slate Podcasts

      Slow Burn

      23,895 Listeners

      Gender Reveal by Tuck Woodstock

      Gender Reveal

      1,254 Listeners

      Hot and Bothered by Not Sorry Productions

      Hot and Bothered

      1,072 Listeners

      Slate Presents: One Year by Slate Podcasts

      Slate Presents: One Year

      1,284 Listeners

      Bad Gays by Huw Lemmey & Ben Miller

      Bad Gays

      504 Listeners

      One Year by Slate Podcasts

      One Year

      1,192 Listeners

      Strict Scrutiny by Crooked Media

      Strict Scrutiny

      5,780 Listeners

      Culture Gabfest by Slate Podcasts

      Culture Gabfest

      440 Listeners

      Brian Lehrer: A Daily Politics Podcast by WNYC Studios

      Brian Lehrer: A Daily Politics Podcast

      672 Listeners

      NPR's Book of the Day by NPR

      NPR's Book of the Day

      658 Listeners

      Vibe Check by Zach Stafford, Saeed Jones, Sam Sanders

      Vibe Check

      1,769 Listeners

      Hear Me Out by Slate Podcasts

      Hear Me Out

      60 Listeners

      Well, Now by Slate Podcasts

      Well, Now

      48 Listeners

      Navel Gazing by John Dickerson

      Navel Gazing

      97 Listeners

      The Sam Sanders Show by KCRW & Sam Sanders

      The Sam Sanders Show

      587 Listeners

      The Law According to Trump by Slate Podcasts

      The Law According to Trump

      5 Listeners

      Standoff: What Happened at Ruby Ridge? by Slate Podcasts

      Standoff: What Happened at Ruby Ridge?

      132 Listeners

      Slate's Audio Book Club by Slate Podcasts

      Slate's Audio Book Club

      0 Listeners

      When We All Get To Heaven by Eureka Street Productions

      When We All Get To Heaven

      0 Listeners