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This is a conversation with Paul Scharre - a senior researcher at Center for Naval Analyses and probably the world’s number one expert on the increasingly important topic of autonomous weapons - machines that are able to operate completely on their own, hunting down and eliminating enemies without being remotely controlled by anyone - and that make life and death decisions without any human input.

As sci-fi as it sounds, this technology already exists - it is slowly being tested in conflicts like Ukraine and it will almost certainly completely transform how warfare and war itself looks and works. And so we talk about all of that - from autonomous drones in Ukraine, the challenges and risks of giving up control over life and death decisions to how much longer do human soldiers actually have left on the battlefield before becoming completely replaced.