The Apple & The Tree

9: Julie, Leo, & Tom


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In Waltham Abbey in Essex we meet Julie, her son Tomor and his elder sister, Leonora.

Julie’s late husband Bill arrived in the UK as a refugee from the former Yugoslavia and was a kind and loving father who, over time, became gripped by a gambling addiction which ultimately caused him to take his own life in a terrifying way.

Leonora, Tom and Julie have all been through counseling since his death and want to remember the good and bad times and talk about their desires for their future without him.


To get in touch just email [email protected]. You can find us on Instagram and X @appletreepod. Let us know about your family stories - who knows, maybe we can meet next time!

Presenter: Vogue Williams

Producer: Rob Fitzpatrick

Editing: Tony Onu

Production Manager: Vittoria Cecchini

Executive Producer: Jamie East

Music written by Aloysius James and performed by Perry Ap Gwynedd and Lunar June


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To get in touch just email [email protected].

You can find us on Instagram and X @appletreepod.

Let us know about your family stories - who knows, maybe we can meet next time!


Presenter: Richard Coles

Producer: Rob Fitzpatrick

Editing: Tony Onuchukwu

Production Manager: Vittoria Cecchini

Executive Producer: Jamie East

Music written by Aloysius James and performed by Perry Ap Gwynedd & Lunar June


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