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This week Nancy and Sarah butter up the prolific and enviably clever journalist/novelist Kat Rosenfield. Kat takes us back to the days of writing $15 posts for MTV News and through the confounding episode of her cancellation in the young-adult fiction world, which led to a stellar career as, among other things, a culture columnist at UnHerd and co-host of the podcast Feminine Chaos. She writes compulsively readable thrillers, too! Also discussed:

* That time Kat was suspended from Twitter for telling someone to …

* The YA lit dogpile that Kat wrote her way out of

* Why she thinks most cancellations are “an overcoat over some personal beef”

* Her obsession with the loss of social trust

* Our conflict between wanting women to have the agency of their own choices and wanting to keep them safe

* Ahhh, Howard Stern memories (and how apparently no woman should be over 120 pounds in the 90s)

* The disappointing reveal of the Lauren Boebert footage

* How to solve a problem like Russell Brand?

* Age of consent and 16 year olds

* The podcaster that makes Kat bite her lips

* New Beauty Mark recommendations to make you smooth, soft and sleepy

And much more!