Babies…why is it so hard to say no? Jess and Caroline are going to break it down. First up, saying no to an old friend who you don’t vibe with anymore. Second, how to say no to your mom when she’s pushing religion on you. Third, how to say no to…yourself. They talk dynamics, they talk showing up calmly, they talk boundaries. And they push back when necessary.

Plus, are they really scientists? They discuss a few lighter topics like stretching, pigeons (!?), and Jess gives her own example of saying no recently—and how that was turned on its head. We’re all not for everyone; “no” is a central part of the phrase.

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This episode was produced by our prince, Abi Newhouse. ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

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Intro Music: “Doja Dance” by PALA

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