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Dr. Won Kim is a brain and tumor neurosurgeon at UCLA Health, where he trained, completed a fellowship in stereotactic and functional neurosurgery, and built a practice around treating tumors that were once considered inoperable. He is also the kind of surgeon who will tell you he is hard to work for, that M&M should be about quality improvement not blame, and that the last five percent of a perfect resection isn't worth the cost of your patient's quality of life.

Won's path to neurosurgery started with a childhood friend who had clinical depression. He wanted to understand how a brain could work so well and suffer so much at the same time. That question took him from a fascination with psychology to watching his first awake craniotomy, and it never really let him go. He ultimately chose neurosurgery over psychiatry. But the question of what makes one person able to thrive while another person can't escape the darkness has followed him throughout his career.

In this conversation, we talk about what it actually means to treat the patient and not the scan and why the pursuit of perfection can be its own form of hubris. He talks about what it means to go to sleep without shame or guilt, as long as you prepared to give your best.

We also get into his AI startup, why AI will paradoxically create more demand for radiologists rather than less, and what he has learned about becoming a better teacher and mentor.

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