In this candid, beautiful conversation, Jonathan shares two stories about how Rob altered his life. At the heart of it is this question: what do you really want? What might it mean for you to allow yourself to want…what you really want? What if it is possible that the desires you have in your deepest, truest self are not in opposition to God, but precisely where the Spirit stirs in you? If you are in a place of discernment, trying to find your own wonder or your joy—confronting these questions honestly just might change your life, too.

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