Your clients don’t want a portfolio manager. They want someone who’ll catch them when they fall.
That’s the truth most advisors are too busy chasing alpha to hear, and it’s exactly why Duncan MacPherson sits down with industry legend Steve Sandusky in this episode.
Steve climbs mountains, and he’s spent decades teaching advisors that the most important rope in their practice isn’t tied to the markets. It’s the belay: the quiet discipline of holding the line so your client can keep climbing without fear of the fall. Get that right and you stop selling advice. You become the first call when life cracks open.
Duncan and Steve unpack “Return on Life,” the framework reshaping the profession by measuring success not in basis points but in a client’s freedom, time, and meaning. They get into why story and symbolism build trust faster than any performance chart, how celestial navigation can steady clients (and you) when the markets blur, and what it takes to build a practice the AI tsunami can’t touch.
Key takeaways:
<ul>
<li>Using story and symbolism to forge trust that compounds</li>
<li>Designing a purpose-driven practice that ages well</li>
<li>Pricing human judgment in an AI-saturated market</li>
<li>Knowing when to lean into technology and when to put it down</li>
<li>Finding your North Star when every client is asking, “What now?”</li>
</ul>
If you’re done competing on returns and ready to compete on meaning, this episode is the map. Outthink. Outcare. Outlast.
Promotions: 
<ul>
<li>Pareto Systems: <a href="https://www.paretosystems.com/turnkey-advisor-membership.html">Turnkey Advisor Membership</a></li>
<li>Pareto Systems Consulting: <a href="https://www.paretosystems.com/financial-advisor-coaching.html">paretosystems.com/financial-advisor-coaching</a></li>
</ul>
Connect With Duncan MacPherson:
<ul>
<li>Website: <a href="https://www.paretosystems.com/">ParetoSystems.com</a></li>
<li>Toll Free: 1.866.593.8020</li>
<li>Learn More: <a href="https://www.paretosystems.com/schedule-a-call.html">Schedule a Call</a></li>
<li>LinkedIn: <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/duncanmacpherson">Duncan MacPherson</a></li>
</ul>
Connect With Steve Sanduski:
<ul>
<li>LinkedIn: <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/stevesanduski/">Steve Sanduski</a></li>
<li>E-mail: <a href="mailto:ssanduski@belayadvisor.com">ssanduski@belayadvisor.com</a></li>
<li>Website: <a href="http://www.belayadvisor.com">belayadvisor.com</a></li>
</ul>
About Our Guest:
Steve Sanduski, MBA, CFP® is the Founder and President of <a href="http://www.belayadvisor.com">Belay Advisor</a>, a financial advisor coaching, consulting, and marketing services company that works with individuals and firms to accelerate growth.
For more than 20 years, he’s been building businesses and helping professionals become more successful. Prior to founding Belay Advisor, Steve was the Managing Partner of Peak Advisor Alliance, a business coaching and training resources company that grew from 0 to 1,000 coaching clients during his 11 years of managing the company.
Earlier in his career, he was a senior leader at an independent broker/dealer and helped build the firm’s corporate RIA from $0 to nearly $2 billion in assets under management in a short period of time.
An accomplished writer, Steve is a New York Times Bestselling author and the co-author of two books:
<ul>
<li><a href="http://www.amazon.com/dp/0982335075/ref=as_li_tf_til?tag=belaadvi-20&camp=0&creative=0&linkCode=as1&creativeASIN=0982335075&adid=080VZV8JJEZJFVXJ6B7Z">Tested in the Trenches: A 9-Step Plan for Success as a New-Era Advisor</a> (it has become one of the most sought after practice management books in the industry)</li>
<li>Avalanche: The 9 Principles for Uncovering True Wealth (became a New York Times bestseller and a Wall Street Journal #1 bestseller)</li>
</ul>
Steve is also a frequent contributor to the trade press including Investment News. Financial Planning Magazine, and Financial Advisor Magazine.
As a professional speaker, Steve has addressed audiences all over the country and he focuses on delivering practical ideas, strategies and tools that attendees can use immediately to reach higher levels of success.
He’s also the host of several podcasts including Between Now and Success and Barron’s Advisor: The Way Forward podcast. On both podcasts, Steve interviews top financial industry leaders as well as other accomplished professional from around the world who have messages that can benefit financial advisors

Your clients don’t want a portfolio manager. They want someone who’ll catch them when they fall. That’s the truth most advisors are too busy chasing alpha to hear, and it’s exactly why Duncan MacPherson sits down with industry legend Steve Sandusky in this episode. Steve climbs mountains, and he’s spent decades teaching advisors that the most important rope in their practice isn’t tied to the markets. It’s the belay: the quiet discipline of holding the line so your client can keep climbing without fear of the fall. Get that right and you stop selling advice. You become the first call when life cracks open. Duncan and Steve unpack “Return on Life,” the framework reshaping the profession by measuring success not in basis points but in a client’s freedom, time, and meaning. They get into why story and symbolism build trust faster than any performance chart, how celestial navigation can steady clients (and you) when the markets blur, and what it takes to build a practice the AI tsunami can’t touch. Key takeaways: Using story and symbolism to forge trust that compounds Designing a purpose-driven practice that ages well Pricing human judgment in an AI-saturated market Knowing when to lean into technology and when to put it down Finding your North Star when every client is asking, “What now?” If you’re done competing on returns and ready to compete on meaning, this episode is the map. Outthink. Outcare. Outlast. Promotions: Pareto Systems: Turnkey Advisor Membership Pareto Systems Consulting: paretosystems.com/financial-advisor-coaching Connect With Duncan MacPherson: Website: ParetoSystems.com Toll Free: 1.866.593.8020 Learn More: Schedule a Call LinkedIn: Duncan MacPherson Connect With Steve Sanduski: LinkedIn: Steve Sanduski E-mail: ssanduski@belayadvisor.com Website: belayadvisor.com About Our Guest: Steve Sanduski, MBA, CFP® is the Founder and President of Belay Advisor, a financial advisor coaching, consulting, and marketing services company that works with individuals and firms to accelerate growth. For more than 20 years, he’s been building businesses and helping professionals become more successful. Prior to founding Belay Advisor, Steve was the Managing Partner of Peak Advisor Alliance, a business coaching and training resources company that grew from 0 to 1,000 coaching clients during his 11 years of managing the company. Earlier in his career, he was a senior leader at an independent broker/dealer and helped build the firm’s corporate RIA from $0 to nearly $2 billion in assets under management in a short period of time. An accomplished writer, Steve is a New York Times Bestselling author and the co-author of two books: Tested in the Trenches: A 9-Step Plan for Success as a New-Era Advisor (it has become one of the most sought after practice management books in the industry) Avalanche: The 9 Principles for Uncovering True Wealth (became a New York Times bestseller and a Wall Street Journal #1 bestseller) Steve is also a frequent contributor to the trade press including Investment News. Financial Planning Magazine, and Financial Advisor Magazine. As a professional speaker, Steve has addressed audiences all over the country and he focuses on delivering practical ideas, strategies and tools that attendees can use immediately to reach higher levels of success. He’s also the host of several podcasts including Between Now and Success and Barron’s Advisor: The Way Forward podcast. On both podcasts, Steve interviews top financial industry leaders as well as other accomplished professional from around the world who have messages that can benefit financial advisors

Your clients don’t want a portfolio manager. They want someone who’ll catch them when they fall.
That’s the truth most advisors are too busy chasing alpha to hear, and it’s exactly why Duncan MacPherson sits down with industry legend Steve Sandusky in this episode.
Steve climbs mountains, and he’s spent decades teaching advisors that the most important rope in their practice isn’t tied to the markets. It’s the belay: the quiet discipline of holding the line so your client can keep climbing without fear of the fall. Get that right and you stop selling advice. You become the first call when life cracks open.
Duncan and Steve unpack “Return on Life,” the framework reshaping the profession by measuring success not in basis points but in a client’s freedom, time, and meaning. They get into why story and symbolism build trust faster than any performance chart, how celestial navigation can steady clients (and you) when the markets blur, and what it takes to build a practice the AI tsunami can’t touch.
Key takeaways:
<ul>
<li>Using story and symbolism to forge trust that compounds</li>
<li>Designing a purpose-driven practice that ages well</li>
<li>Pricing human judgment in an AI-saturated market</li>
<li>Knowing when to lean into technology and when to put it down</li>
<li>Finding your North Star when every client is asking, “What now?”</li>
</ul>
If you’re done competing on returns and ready to compete on meaning, this episode is the map. Outthink. Outcare. Outlast.
Promotions: 
<ul>
<li>Pareto Systems: <a href="https://www.paretosystems.com/turnkey-advisor-membership.html" rel="noopener noreferrer">Turnkey Advisor Membership</a></li>
<li>Pareto Systems Consulting: <a href="https://www.paretosystems.com/financial-advisor-coaching.html" rel="noopener noreferrer">paretosystems.com/financial-advisor-coaching</a></li>
</ul>
Connect With Duncan MacPherson:
<ul>
<li>Website: <a href="https://www.paretosystems.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer">ParetoSystems.com</a></li>
<li>Toll Free: 1.866.593.8020</li>
<li>Learn More: <a href="https://www.paretosystems.com/schedule-a-call.html" rel="noopener noreferrer">Schedule a Call</a></li>
<li>LinkedIn: <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/duncanmacpherson" rel="noopener noreferrer">Duncan MacPherson</a></li>
</ul>
Connect With Steve Sanduski:
<ul>
<li>LinkedIn: <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/stevesanduski/" rel="noopener noreferrer">Steve Sanduski</a></li>
<li>E-mail: <a href="mailto:ssanduski@belayadvisor.com" rel="noopener noreferrer">ssanduski@belayadvisor.com</a></li>
<li>Website: <a href="http://www.belayadvisor.com" rel="noopener noreferrer">belayadvisor.com</a></li>
</ul>
About Our Guest:
Steve Sanduski, MBA, CFP® is the Founder and President of <a href="http://www.belayadvisor.com" rel="noopener noreferrer">Belay Advisor</a>, a financial advisor coaching, consulting, and marketing services company that works with individuals and firms to accelerate growth.
For more than 20 years, he’s been building businesses and helping professionals become more successful. Prior to founding Belay Advisor, Steve was the Managing Partner of Peak Advisor Alliance, a business coaching and training resources company that grew from 0 to 1,000 coaching clients during his 11 years of managing the company.
Earlier in his career, he was a senior leader at an independent broker/dealer and helped build the firm’s corporate RIA from $0 to nearly $2 billion in assets under management in a short period of time.
An accomplished writer, Steve is a New York Times Bestselling author and the co-author of two books:
<ul>
<li><a href="http://www.amazon.com/dp/0982335075/ref=as_li_tf_til?tag=belaadvi-20&amp;camp=0&amp;creative=0&amp;linkCode=as1&amp;creativeASIN=0982335075&amp;adid=080VZV8JJEZJFVXJ6B7Z" rel="noopener noreferrer">Tested in the Trenches: A 9-Step Plan for Success as a New-Era Advisor</a> (it has become one of the most sought after practice management books in the industry)</li>
<li>Avalanche: The 9 Principles for Uncovering True Wealth (became a New York Times bestseller and a Wall Street Journal #1 bestseller)</li>
</ul>
Steve is also a frequent contributor to the trade press including Investment News. Financial Planning Magazine, and Financial Advisor Magazine.
As a professional speaker, Steve has addressed audiences all over the country and he focuses on delivering practical ideas, strategies and tools that attendees can use immediately to reach higher levels of success.
He’s also the host of several podcasts including Between Now and Success and Barron’s Advisor: The Way Forward podcast. On both podcasts, Steve interviews top financial industry leaders as well as other accomplished professional from around the world who have messages that can benefit financial advisors

The Evolution of Financial Advice with Steve Sanduski (Ep. 94)

Duncan MacPherson is joined by Pareto coach and team dynamics specialist Elaine Christakos for a practical conversation on one of the most overlooked drivers of growth in financial advisory businesses: building and leading a high-performing team.
Together, they explore the shift from advisor to CEO, where leadership, delegation, and structure become the real drivers of scale. As firms grow more complex, Elaine shares how intentional team design, clear roles, and aligned communication create consistency in the client experience while freeing up capacity.
The conversation also dives into hiring, retention, and team cohesion, highlighting why behavioral alignment often matters more than technical skill, and how the wrong hires can quietly erode culture, trust, and enterprise value. Elaine breaks down the mindset shift required to let go, empower the right people, and build a business that can grow beyond the advisor.
Key highlights include:
<ul>
<li>Why scaling requires a shift from doing more to leading differently</li>
<li>How team dynamics impact productivity, consistency, and enterprise value</li>
<li>Hiring for alignment, not just experience</li>
<li>Using behavioral insights to strengthen team communication</li>
<li>Why letting go is essential to becoming a CEO</li>
</ul>
This is a practical discussion for financial advisors looking to build a more scalable, self-sustaining business and lead with greater clarity and control.
Tune in for actionable insights on leadership, team structure, and scaling the right way.
Promotions: 
<ul>
<li>Toolkit CRM by Pareto: <a href="https://www.toolkitcrm.com/">www.toolkitcrm.com</a></li>
<li>Pareto Systems: <a href="https://www.paretosystems.com/turnkey-advisor-membership.html">Turnkey Advisor Membership</a></li>
</ul>
Connect With Duncan MacPherson:
<ul>
<li>Website: <a href="https://www.paretosystems.com" target="_blank" rel="noopener">ParetoSystems.com</a></li>
</ul>
<ul>
<li>Toll Free: 1.866.593.8020</li>
<li>Learn More: <a href="https://www.paretosystems.com/schedule-a-call.html">Schedule a Call</a></li>
<li>LinkedIn: <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/duncanmacpherson">Duncan MacPherson</a></li>
</ul>
Connect With Elaine Christakos:
<ul>
<li>LinkedIn: <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/echristakos/">Elaine Christakos</a></li>
<li>Website: <a href="https://www.paretosystems.com/coaches/coach-elaine-christakos.html">paretosystems.com/coaches/coach-elaine-christakos</a></li>
</ul>
 
About Our Guest:
Elaine Christakos is a senior level results-oriented professional and strategist with two decades of management and coaching experience in the financial services sector. She has designed and implemented successful and proven practice management and relationship management training programs.
Elaine is also a behavioral strategist and high-performance team coach who helps financial advisory teams hire the right people, build strong team dynamics, and retain top talent. Her expertise in behavioral profiling, especially DISC, Emotional Intelligence, and Driving Forces, gives her clients a clear competitive edge in attracting and developing cohesive, high-functioning teams.
A Certified DISC Specialist and trainer, Elaine uses a practical, science-based approach to decode human behavior in a way that’s immediately applicable to hiring decisions, communication strategies, and leadership development. She works with elite advisors and their teams to build intentional cultures where each person operates in alignment with their natural strengths, leading to better fit, faster trust, and longer-term engagement.
Elaine’s foundation in practice management was shaped by early exposure to structured, client-centric systems, which ignited her passion for coaching and optimizing team performance. Today, as a coach with the Pareto Systems network, she blends behavioral insights with strategic consulting to help advisory teams grow with clarity and confidence.

Duncan MacPherson is joined by Pareto coach and team dynamics specialist Elaine Christakos for a practical conversation on one of the most overlooked drivers of growth in financial advisory businesses: building and leading a high-performing team. Together, they explore the shift from advisor to CEO, where leadership, delegation, and structure become the real drivers of scale. As firms grow more complex, Elaine shares how intentional team design, clear roles, and aligned communication create consistency in the client experience while freeing up capacity. The conversation also dives into hiring, retention, and team cohesion, highlighting why behavioral alignment often matters more than technical skill, and how the wrong hires can quietly erode culture, trust, and enterprise value. Elaine breaks down the mindset shift required to let go, empower the right people, and build a business that can grow beyond the advisor. Key highlights include: Why scaling requires a shift from doing more to leading differently How team dynamics impact productivity, consistency, and enterprise value Hiring for alignment, not just experience Using behavioral insights to strengthen team communication Why letting go is essential to becoming a CEO This is a practical discussion for financial advisors looking to build a more scalable, self-sustaining business and lead with greater clarity and control. Tune in for actionable insights on leadership, team structure, and scaling the right way. Promotions: Toolkit CRM by Pareto: www.toolkitcrm.com Pareto Systems: Turnkey Advisor Membership Connect With Duncan MacPherson: Website: ParetoSystems.com Toll Free: 1.866.593.8020 Learn More: Schedule a Call LinkedIn: Duncan MacPherson Connect With Elaine Christakos: LinkedIn: Elaine Christakos Website: paretosystems.com/coaches/coach-elaine-christakos About Our Guest: Elaine Christakos is a senior level results-oriented professional and strategist with two decades of management and coaching experience in the financial services sector. She has designed and implemented successful and proven practice management and relationship management training programs. Elaine is also a behavioral strategist and high-performance team coach who helps financial advisory teams hire the right people, build strong team dynamics, and retain top talent. Her expertise in behavioral profiling, especially DISC, Emotional Intelligence, and Driving Forces, gives her clients a clear competitive edge in attracting and developing cohesive, high-functioning teams. A Certified DISC Specialist and trainer, Elaine uses a practical, science-based approach to decode human behavior in a way that’s immediately applicable to hiring decisions, communication strategies, and leadership development. She works with elite advisors and their teams to build intentional cultures where each person operates in alignment with their natural strengths, leading to better fit, faster trust, and longer-term engagement. Elaine’s foundation in practice management was shaped by early exposure to structured, client-centric systems, which ignited her passion for coaching and optimizing team performance. Today, as a coach with the Pareto Systems network, she blends behavioral insights with strategic consulting to help advisory teams grow with clarity and confidence.

Duncan MacPherson is joined by Pareto coach and team dynamics specialist Elaine Christakos for a practical conversation on one of the most overlooked drivers of growth in financial advisory businesses: building and leading a high-performing team.
Together, they explore the shift from advisor to CEO, where leadership, delegation, and structure become the real drivers of scale. As firms grow more complex, Elaine shares how intentional team design, clear roles, and aligned communication create consistency in the client experience while freeing up capacity.
The conversation also dives into hiring, retention, and team cohesion, highlighting why behavioral alignment often matters more than technical skill, and how the wrong hires can quietly erode culture, trust, and enterprise value. Elaine breaks down the mindset shift required to let go, empower the right people, and build a business that can grow beyond the advisor.
Key highlights include:
<ul>
<li>Why scaling requires a shift from doing more to leading differently</li>
<li>How team dynamics impact productivity, consistency, and enterprise value</li>
<li>Hiring for alignment, not just experience</li>
<li>Using behavioral insights to strengthen team communication</li>
<li>Why letting go is essential to becoming a CEO</li>
</ul>
This is a practical discussion for financial advisors looking to build a more scalable, self-sustaining business and lead with greater clarity and control.
Tune in for actionable insights on leadership, team structure, and scaling the right way.
Promotions: 
<ul>
<li>Toolkit CRM by Pareto: <a href="https://www.toolkitcrm.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer">www.toolkitcrm.com</a></li>
<li>Pareto Systems: <a href="https://www.paretosystems.com/turnkey-advisor-membership.html" rel="noopener noreferrer">Turnkey Advisor Membership</a></li>
</ul>
Connect With Duncan MacPherson:
<ul>
<li>Website: <a href="https://www.paretosystems.com" rel="noopener noreferrer">ParetoSystems.com</a></li>
</ul>
<ul>
<li>Toll Free: 1.866.593.8020</li>
<li>Learn More: <a href="https://www.paretosystems.com/schedule-a-call.html" rel="noopener noreferrer">Schedule a Call</a></li>
<li>LinkedIn: <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/duncanmacpherson" rel="noopener noreferrer">Duncan MacPherson</a></li>
</ul>
Connect With Elaine Christakos:
<ul>
<li>LinkedIn: <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/echristakos/" rel="noopener noreferrer">Elaine Christakos</a></li>
<li>Website: <a href="https://www.paretosystems.com/coaches/coach-elaine-christakos.html" rel="noopener noreferrer">paretosystems.com/coaches/coach-elaine-christakos</a></li>
</ul>
 
About Our Guest:
Elaine Christakos is a senior level results-oriented professional and strategist with two decades of management and coaching experience in the financial services sector. She has designed and implemented successful and proven practice management and relationship management training programs.
Elaine is also a behavioral strategist and high-performance team coach who helps financial advisory teams hire the right people, build strong team dynamics, and retain top talent. Her expertise in behavioral profiling, especially DISC, Emotional Intelligence, and Driving Forces, gives her clients a clear competitive edge in attracting and developing cohesive, high-functioning teams.
A Certified DISC Specialist and trainer, Elaine uses a practical, science-based approach to decode human behavior in a way that’s immediately applicable to hiring decisions, communication strategies, and leadership development. She works with elite advisors and their teams to build intentional cultures where each person operates in alignment with their natural strengths, leading to better fit, faster trust, and longer-term engagement.
Elaine’s foundation in practice management was shaped by early exposure to structured, client-centric systems, which ignited her passion for coaching and optimizing team performance. Today, as a coach with the Pareto Systems network, she blends behavioral insights with strategic consulting to help advisory teams grow with clarity and confidence.

The Hidden Growth Lever with Elaine Christakos (Ep. 93)

Do you have a succession plan in place? Have you considered your exit strategy and the enterprise value of your business? In this episode Duncan MacPherson and Ted Jenkin, serial entrepreneur and CEO of oXYGen Financial discuss how to drive enterprise value, re-imagining what it means to be a financial professional, and how to get … <a href="https://always-on-with-d-macpherson.blubrry.net/2021/10/28/how-to-achieve-the-maximum-enterprise-value-with-ted-jenkin/" class="more-link">Continue reading How to Achieve the Maximum Enterprise Value with Ted Jenkin (Ep. 2) →</a>

Do you have a succession plan in place? Have you considered your exit strategy and the enterprise value of your business? In this episode Duncan MacPherson and Ted Jenkin, serial entrepreneur and CEO of oXYGen Financial discuss how to drive enterprise value, re-imagining what it means to be a financial professional, and how to get … Continue reading How to Achieve the Maximum Enterprise Value with Ted Jenkin (Ep. 2) →

Do you have a succession plan in place? Have you considered your exit strategy and the enterprise value of your business? In this episode Duncan MacPherson and Ted Jenkin, serial entrepreneur and CEO of oXYGen Financial discuss how to drive enterprise value, re-imagining what it means to be a financial professional, and how to get … <a href="https://always-on-with-d-macpherson.blubrry.net/2021/10/28/how-to-achieve-the-maximum-enterprise-value-with-ted-jenkin/" rel="noopener noreferrer">Continue reading How to Achieve the Maximum Enterprise Value with Ted Jenkin (Ep. 2) →</a>

How to Achieve the Maximum Enterprise Value with Ted Jenkin (Ep. 2)

Over the last 18 months the best advisors have separated themselves from the rest, but how did they do it? In this episode, Duncan MacPherson is joined by Chris Jeppesen of First Trust. They discuss what they’ve seen in the last 18 months, and what the best advisors and teams have done to separate themselves … <a href="https://always-on-with-d-macpherson.blubrry.net/2021/10/28/what-separates-the-best-from-the-rest-with-chris-jeppesen/" class="more-link">Continue reading What Separates the Best from the Rest with Chris Jeppesen (Ep.1) →</a>

Over the last 18 months the best advisors have separated themselves from the rest, but how did they do it? In this episode, Duncan MacPherson is joined by Chris Jeppesen of First Trust. They discuss what they’ve seen in the last 18 months, and what the best advisors and teams have done to separate themselves … Continue reading What Separates the Best from the Rest with Chris Jeppesen (Ep.1) →

Over the last 18 months the best advisors have separated themselves from the rest, but how did they do it? In this episode, Duncan MacPherson is joined by Chris Jeppesen of First Trust. They discuss what they’ve seen in the last 18 months, and what the best advisors and teams have done to separate themselves … <a href="https://always-on-with-d-macpherson.blubrry.net/2021/10/28/what-separates-the-best-from-the-rest-with-chris-jeppesen/" rel="noopener noreferrer">Continue reading What Separates the Best from the Rest with Chris Jeppesen (Ep.1) →</a>

What Separates the Best from the Rest with Chris Jeppesen (Ep.1)

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If you are a Financial Advisor committed to continually working on yourself and your business, this podcast is for you. Always On is dedicated to and features relentlessly innovative, ambitious, and balanced Financial Advisors who are motivated by personal and professional plateau avoidance. Join host Duncan MacPherson, best-selling author, thought leader, speaker, Business Coach, and CEO of Pareto Systems, as he interviews some of the top business professionals today.

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