Guest artist RORY PILGRIM joins author and critic ELIZABETH FULLERTON to discuss his musically inspired, community-based art practice through the prism of 'The Bell' by Irish British writer and philosopher, Dame Jean Iris Murdoch. Published in 1958, this funny and sad novel explores religion, human frailty and who has the right to a voice, set within the confines of a lay community.

Please be warned that in following the content of Murdoch's text, the programme contains references to sexual abuse and to suicide.

Rory and Elizabeth's discussion also encompasses unheard voices, sunken voices, historical voices, awoken voices, shutting down voices, empathy, songwriting, drawing, poetry, kissing, dancing, stories, transformation, spiritual striving, moral dilemma, social practice, closet homosexuality, transformative moments, nuns getting naked and writing off people who are too complicated. They also delve into the toxic politics of speech, wrestling with faith, music as a first language, pathways of self destruction, the stress of being part of communities, suppression leading to the harm of others, the desire and courage to learn and to listen, experiences shaped by nuance and interconnections, and ways in which direct democracy can be built on consensus and intergenerational dialogue. And together, they question: how can you be completely yourself within a group, how can we imagine new forms of law through storytelling, and how can art play a civic role in transforming lives and developing networks of care.

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RORY PILGRIM

rorypilgrim.com

insta @rainbowsofgorse

'Turner Prize' at Towner Eastbourne 28 Sep 2023-14 Apr 2024

'Rafts' 2020 The Migros Museum of Contemporary Art in Zurich, EVA International 31 Aug – 29 Oct 2023 Limerick city of Ireland, 49 Nord 6 Est Frac Lorraine in Metz of France

'The Undercurrent' 2019

'The Resounding Bell' 2018

ARTISTS

Abba 'The Visitors' 1981

Barbara Hepworth

Evelyn Taocheng Wang

Helen Cammock

Ilona Sagar

Jane Jeffcot

Mel Brimfield 

Ragnar Kjartansson 'The Visitors' 2012

Robyn Haddon 

Sands Murray-Wassink

Sonia Boyce

Susie Green

BOOKS + AUTHORS

Lucy Lippard 'Mapping the Terrain: New Genre in Public Art' 1994

Suzi Gablik 'The Re-enchantment of Art' 1991

Toni Morrison 'Beloved' 1987

Toni Morrison 'Song of Solomon' 1977

Toni Morrison 'The Bluest Eye' 1970

GALLERIES + MUSEUMS + ORGANISATIONS

Auto Italia

Chisenhale Gallery

Green Shoes Arts

Interfaith Sanctuary, Boise, Idaho

Serpentine Gallery 'Radio Ballads' 2022

Site Gallery

Guest artist ANNA BARHAM joins artist JILLIAN KNIPE to discuss her art practice via 'Companion Piece' by Ali Smith. Published in 2023 by Penguin Books, the novel explores language, meaning, relationships and contemporary politics in what may be seen as a way of bringing a form of conclusion to Smith's urgently written then quickly published, seasonal texts: Summer, Autumn, Winter, Spring.

ANNA and Jillian's discussion encompasses disfluencies, purity, transcription software, unfolding meanings, easy solutions, social spaces, silent conversations, showing off, undermining binary, performing language and dog eyebrows. As well as the body in the digital, pushing language around, stories being questions, and the pain of a pain within another body.

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ANNA BARHAM

annabarham.net

insta @banana_harm

apria.artez.nl/zyx

'Magenta Emerald Lapis' 2009 The Tanks in Tate Modern til 10 Sep 2023

'Stilled Images' Tube Gallery in Palma Mallorca til 6 Aug 2023

ARTISTS

Laura Owens

Lindsay Seers

Moyra Davey

Nicola Bealing

Sophie Ruigrok

William Blake

WRITERS + BOOKS

Ali Smith 'The Accidental' 2005

Ali Smith 'How to be Both' 2014

Anna Barham 'Return to Leptis Magna' 2010

Anna Burns 'Milkman' 2018 voiced by Brid Brennan

Bridget Crone

Cherry Smith

Claudia Rankin

Elizabeth Fullerton

Gertrude Stein

Gustave Flaubert 'The Temptation of Saint Anthony' 1874

Nick Cave

Jennifer Higgie

Russell Hoban 'Ridley Walker' 1980

Judith Butler

Lisa Robertson 'The Baudelaire Fractal' 2020

Lisa Robertson 'Thresholds: A Prosody of Citizenship' 2018

Lisa Roberton 'Cinema of the Present' 2014

Plato 'Cratylus' 360BCE

GALLERIES + ORGANISATIONS

Banner Repeater

bookshop.org

Chelsea College

Flat Time House

Large Glass Gallery

401 Contemporary

Guest artist MIKHAIL KARIKIS joins poet and art critic CHERRY SMYTH to discuss his art practice via 'Human Acts' by Han Kang, 2016 published by Granta Books. Set in 1980 South Korea, the novel tells the gruelling story of a violently suppressed student uprising and the inevitable fallout from the original trauma.

MIKHAIL and CHERRY's discussion encompasses trust, courage, coalminers, eco-activism, protest and pearl-divers. As well as chance encounters, female superheroes, community collaboration, violent suppression, active listening, self censorship, activist imaginary, heteronormative language, acoustics of resistance, Greek working class, repercussions of trauma, our relationship to the earth, sounds to engender change, giving over artistic power, speaking on behalf of the dead, sound as a sculptural material, a tsunami of screaming, plus being out of tune with ourselves, our social context and the environment.

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MIKHAIL KARIKIS

Greek-British artist based in London & Lisbon, working in video, sound and performance.

mikhailkarikis.com

@mikhailkarikis

'Because We Are Together'

National Museum of Contemporary Art Athens 28 Jan - 8 Oct 2023

'The Weather Orchestra' 2023

'Ferocious Love' 2020 Tate Liverpool as recommended by Laura Cumming in 'The Guardian'

'I Hear You' 2019

'No Ordinary Protest' 2018

'The Chalk Factory' 2017 Aarhus Denmark, commissioned by European Capital of Culture

'Sounds from Beneath' 2011-2012

CHERRY SMYTH

'If the River is Hidden' co-authored with Craig Jordan-Baker

'Famished'

ARTISTS + MUSEUMS + PRACTITIONERS

Ceri Hand

HOME Manchester

Mathilda Bevan

Tate Liverpool

The Granary Gallery

Thelma Hubert Gallery

The Showroom

Whitechapel Gallery

BOOKS + AUTHORS + WRITERS

Alison Branagan 'The Essential Guide to Business for Artists and Designers' 2011

Hartmut Rosa 'Resonance: A Sociology of Our Relationship to the World' 2021

Guest artist ROSIE GIBBENS joins VANESSA MURRELL of DATEAGLE to discuss her art practice via 'Life Ceremony' by Sayaka Murata, 2022 published by Granta Books. This off-kilter collection of short stories brings a grotesque whimsy to fables of cultural norms, including society rituals that develop when the human species is endangered . 

ROSIE and VANESSA's discussion encompasses ritual, nothingness, meatarianism, shit and vomit . As well as ribcage tables, mocking Freud, recycling flesh, consuming oneself, anatomical Venus's, muscle suits, pointless products, human hair jumpers, an alien point of view, dried stomach lampshades, humans resembling cockroaches, eating Spongebob figurines, and to borrow Rosie's words, it's all kinda dark and kinda beautiful . 

ROSIE GIBBENS

rosiegibbens.com

@rosiegibbens

ARTISTS + CURATORS 

Becca Pall-Fry

Helen Chadwick

Marcel Joseph

Mike Stubbs

BOOKS + WRITERS

Albert Camus

Aldous Huxley 'Brave New World' 1932

Angela Carter

Barbara Creed 'The Monstrous Feminine' 1993

Julia Kristeva

Megan Milks 'Slug and Other Stories' 2021

Perfume

Steven King 'Carrie' 1974

FILM

'Alien' 1979

'Evil Dead II' 1987

'Ex Machina' 2015

'Hellraiser' franchise

'RAW' 2017

'The Human Centipede' 2009, 2011, 2015

GALLERIES + EXHIBITIONS

GIANT 'Body Poetics' 2023

Museum of the Home

Pictorum Gallery

The Bomb Factory

Guest artist mentor CERI HAND joins artist and writer JILLIAN KNIPE to discuss her creative practice via 'The Blazing World' 2014 by Siri Hustvedt and published by Hodder & Stoughton. Longlisted for the Booker Prize and winner of the Los Angeles Times Book Prize for Fiction, it tells tales of the life of artist Harriet Burden. Presented across snapshots of journal entries and testimonies by her family, friends and colleagues, the accounts are compiled and edited by academic researcher I.V. Hess after Harriet's death. Furious with the cultural misogyny that's left her all but ignored by the New York art world, Harriet hides her identity behind three male fronts in a series of exhibitions. While their huge success goes to prove her point, when she finally unmasks herself, not everyone believes her.

CERI HAND

cerihand.com

@cerihand

artistmentor.co.uk

ARTISTS

Christo Vladimirov Javacheff 1935–2020

Eva Hesse 1936-1970

Evlyne Laurin, Creative Legacy Steward and Fine Art Appraiser

Jane Hayes Greenwood

Sir Horace Shango Ové CBE

Yayoi Kusama

Zak Ové

WRITERS + BOOKS

Cherry Smyth

Dan Sullivan with Dr Benjamin Hardy '10X is Easier than 2X: How World-Class Entrepreneurs Achieve More by Doing Less' 2023

John Milton 'Paradise Lost' 1667

John Steinbeck 'Of Mice and Men' 1937

Margaret Lucas Cavendish 1623-1673

Rachel Cusk

INSTITUTIONS + GALLERIES

Castor Gallery

ICA

Somerset House 'Get Up Stand Up Now: Generations of Black Creative Pioneers' 2019

The Women's Art Library 'Make' magazine

Guest artist SUSAN SCHUPPLI joins art critic and author ELIZABETH FULLERTON to discuss her art practice via 'The Second Body' 2017 by Daisy Hildyard, published by Fitzcarraldo Books. Listed by the 'White Review' on their Books of the Year 2018, the essay presents the dissolving boundaries between all life on earth, with an updated dualism between the animal bodies in which we eat, breathe, and sleep and the virtual bodies of our global connections and environmental impacts.

Susan and Elizabeth discuss dissolving boundaries, plausible deniability, beached whales, deep time, gathering poems, chattering glaciers, foetus ownership, critical proximity, living on ice, images creating barriers, Princess Diana's wedding dress, bodies eating distance, and changing paradigms. Plus, they question where environmental knowledge resides and which modes of representation might inspire action.

SUSAN SCHUPPLI

susanschuppli.com

@susan_schuppli

'Can the Sun Lie' 

'Cold Rights'

'Earthrise' is a photograph of Earth and some of the Moon 's surface that was taken from lunar orbit by astronaut William Anders on 24 December 24 1968 during the Apollo 8 mission.  

Ultrasound was first used for clinical purposes in mid 1950s but not used widely in British and American hospitals till 1970s for foetus imaging.

In April 1965, 'Life' put a photograph called Foetus 18 Weeks on its cover which caused a sensation. The issue became the fastest-selling copy in the magazine's entire history.

The Keeling Curve is a graph of the accumulation of carbon dioxide in the earth's atmosphere based on continuous measurements taken at the Mauna Loa Observatory in Hawaii from 1958 to the present day. 

BOOKS + THINKERS

Christina Elizabeth Sharpe, American academic, Professor of English Literature and Black Studies at York University, Toronto, Canada

Daisy Hildyard 'The Footprint's Story: Princess Diana's Jewels and Carbon' Orion magazine, Winter Issue 30 Nov 2022

Dr Adrian Lahoud, Dean of the School of Architecture, Royal College of Art

Joseph Conrad

Silvia Federici 'Caliban and the Witch: : Women, the Body and Primitive Accumulation' 2004

Sven Oskar Lindqvist 'Exterminate all the Brutes: One Man's Odyssey into the Heart of Darkness and the Origins of European Genocide' 2007

Sheila Watt-Cloutier 'The Right to Be Cold: One Woman's Story of Protecting Her Culture, the Arctic and the Whole Planet' 2015

Ursula K Le Guin 'The Carrier Bag Theory of Fiction' 1986

FILM + DIRECTORS

Chantal Akerman

'Nostalgia for the Light' Patricio Guzmán, 2010

Stanley Kubrick '2001: A Space Odyssey' 1968

ORGANISATIONS

Bergin Kunsthalle, Norway

Berlin Biennale

Forensic Architecture

Goldsmiths University

Sculpture Center, New York

Toronto Biennial of Art

Guest artist SOPHIE RUIGROK joins VANESSA MURRELL of DATEAGLE to discuss her art practice via 'Nobody Belongs Here More Than You' 2007 by Miranda July, published by Canongate Books. Winner of the Frank O'Connor International Short Story Award, it conveys 16 stories of lonely characters desperately trying to make connections. Their means vary from quirky to the absurd and mostly only result in the disillusion of coinciding in the same space. 

Sophie and Vanessa talk about escape, clouds, tears, Buddhism, role playing, manifesting reality, body leaking, collapsing flesh, wearing wigs, cold showers, hypersensitive characters, contemporary spiritualism, movie-set extras, expressing the psyche, masks as mediators, disconnected lonely people, swimming on the carpet, beautifully weird realisations about humanity, the loss of fantasy, appropriating from art history, being allergic to the world, true signs of falsehood, and Sophie using her fingers to make images of fingers before dipping her toe into oil paint.

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SOPHIE RUIGROK

@sophie.ruigrok

'In Three Acts' Huxley Parlour 27 April - 27 May 2023

'Stilled Images' Tube Gallery, Mallorca opens 10 June 2023

ARTISTS

Alfred Stieglitz

Andrea Mantegna

Francis Bacon

Gian Lorenzo Bellini 'The Ecstasy of Saint Theresa' 1652

Hans Memling, hellscapes

Jan and Hubert Van Eck 'The Ghent Alterpiece' Belgium 1432

Katarina Caserman

René Magritte

GALLERIES

Marlborough 'Love is the Devil: Studies after Francis Bacon' 2022

Tabula Rasa 'It's Better to be Cats Than be Loved' 2022 

The Sunday Painter 'Today I Feel Relevant and Alive' 2022

WRITERS

Carl Jung

Susan Stewart 'On Longing: Narratives of the Miniature, the Gigantic, the Souvenir, the Collection' 1984

FILMS

'Interstellar' 2014

'The Truman Show' 1998

'Thelma and Louise' 1991

Guest artist NICOLA BEALING

joins JILLIAN KNIPE to discuss her work via 'Pastoralia' 2020 by George Saunders. Published Riverhead Books, the book contains six short stories each presenting snapshots of contemporary American existence delivered in a deadpan, razorsharp tone, and enshrouded with dark humour.

We talk about dark humour, executions, internal panic, male strippers, 18th century working class fabrics, Goya being God, cruelty, Stasi prison, cave people, hazardous shitholes, bum cracks, lungs filling with blood, penis simulators, pictures popping up behind your eyes, boring objects, unaffordable medical care, apprenticeships, being trapped, funny voices, hot sexy breeding age, slogans of false hope, bags of human waste, hiding what's underneath and the tiny details that make up a life.

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NICOLA BEALING

nicolabealing.co.uk

@nicola_bealing

'The Borough' at Matt's Gallery London 15 March - 16 April 2023

ARTISTS

Alice Browne

Alice Neel

Benjamin Britten

Erich Heckel

Ernst Ludwig Kirchner

Francisco Goya

George Grosz

Hieronymus Bosch

Montagu Slater

Otto Dix

Pieter Bruegel the Elder

Sidney Nolan

BOOKS + AUTHORS

Aldous Huxley 'Brave New World' 1932

Broadside Ballads

E M Forster

Federico Garcia Lorca 'Blood Wedding' 1932

'Face' magazine

George Crabbe 'Peter Grimes' Letter XXII of 'The Borough' 1810

George Saunders 'A Swim in a Pond in the Rain: In Which Four Russians Give a Master Class on Writing, Reading, and Life' 2021

GALLERIES + MUSEUMS + GALLERISTS

British Museum

Foundling Museum

Museum of Cornish Life (Helston) 

Royal Cornwall Museum (Truro)

Salisbury Art Centre

Tim Dixon

Guest artist FLORENCE PEAKE joins ELIZABETH FULLERTON to discuss her multi-faceted, performance-led art practice via 'Stone Butch Blues' 1993 by Leslie Feinberg. It tells the story of life as a butch lesbian in 1970s, working class America and is particularly unique due to the writer gaining full rights to the text, making it fully accessible online and for free.

Florence and Elizabeth talk about hysterical clay, collapsing paintings, mark-making without sight, rigid heteronormative conventions, the patriarchy's rule which brings a perpetual fear of violence, butch lesbians in the 70s, drag queens, sex workers and femmes, extractions of earthly matter and energy, the dance floor as a space for belonging and expression, splattering the audience with clay, tenderness and care, finding comfort in the face of shame, and encountering ourselves imaginatively in relationship to objective reality.

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FLORENCE PEAKE

florencepeake.com

insta florence_peake

Richard Saltoun Gallery

2023 16 April - 2 July 'Factual Actual Ensemble' at Southwark Park Galleries then touring to Fruitmarket Gallery and Towner Gallery

2023 11 Feb - 7 May 'Earth Spells: Witches of the Anthropocene' at RAM Museum, Exter with Caroline Achaintre, Emma Hart, Kris Lemsalu, Mercedes Mühleisen, Grace Ndiritu, Florence Peake, Kiki Smith, Lucy Stein

2023 18 Feb - 6 May 'Body Poetics' at Giant, Bournemouth with Penny Slinger, Helen Chadwick, Florence Peake, Louise Bourgeois, Judy Chicago, Charlotte Edey, Enam Gbewonyo, Rosie Gibbens, Guerrilla Girls, Evan Ifekoya, Ad Minoliti, Senga Nengudi, Niki De Saint Phalle, Carolee Schneemann, Tai Shani, Kiki Smith, Rae-Yen Song, Holly Stevenson curated by Marcelle Joseph and Bella Pelly-Fry

2021 Factual Actual at National Gallery

2021-22 Crude Care for British Art Show at Aberdeen Art Gallery then touring UK

2019 Apparition Apparition at Venice Biennale

2018 RITE: on this pliant body we slip our WOW! at De La Warr Pavillion

2015 Voicings for Block Universe at Modern Art Oxford, Somerset House

ARTISTS + PERFORMERS

Cameron Armitage

Carolee Schneeman 'Meat Joy'

Donald Judd

Emma Hart

Eve Stainton

Fabian Peake

Igor Sravinsky 'The Rite of Spring'

Gabi Agis

Grayson Duitu

Jo Moran

Jordan McKenzie

Kate Bush

Lee Bowie

Lindsey Kemp

Mercedes Grower

Michael Clarke 'I am a Curious Orange'

Rosemary Butcher

Siobhan Davis Studios

Tai Shani

The Fall

Yvonne Rainer

BOOKS

Juliet Jacques 'Variations' 2021

Carmen Maria Machado 'In the Dreamhouse' 2019

Octavia Butler

Guest author JENNIFER HIGGIE joins JILLIAN KNIPE to discuss her art writing practice via 'Drive Your Plow Over the Bones of the Dead' by Olga Tokarczuk. It's a compelling murder mystery set in a small mountainside village in Poland. As Winter caretaker of neighbouring properties, Janina spends her spare time translating the poems of William Blake into Polish with her friend and ex-student Dizzy. 

We talk about how women found agency within the rise of spiritualism, telephoning the dead, art history as a work in progress, tigers of wrath, the golden age of female detective fiction, hanging out in Greece, bridge builders, astrology, precognitive dreams, human cruelty, climate crisis, bad writers, ghosts, eccentricities that make complete sense, taking your brain with all of its complications wherever you go, and Jennifer's passion for histories of exclusion, particularly those of women.

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JENNIFER HIGGIE

jenniferhiggie.com

instagram jennifer_higgie

BOOKS + AUTHORS + PUBLISHERS

Agatha Christie

Annie Besant 'Thought Forms' 1906

Brian Dillon 'Affinities' 2023

Dorothy L Sayers

Fitzcarraldo Editions

Georgio Vasari 'The Lives of the Most Excellent Painters, Sculptors, and Architects' 1550

Griselda Pollock

Hetty Judah

Jennifer Higgie 'The Other Side: A Journey into Women, Art and the Spirit World' 2023 

Jennifer Higgie 'The Mirror and the Palette' 2021

Jennifer Higgie 'Bedlam' 2006

J M Coetzee 'The Childhood of Jesus' 2013

Katie Hessel

Linda Nochlin

Madame Blavatsky

Margary Allingham

Michael Bracewell 'Unfinished Business' 2023

Orion Publishing Group

Virginia Woolf

William Blake

ARTISTS 

Dean Kenning

Donna Huddleston 'Brighter' 2021

Frances Richardson

Georgiana Houghton

Helen Johnson

Hildagard of Bingen

Hilma af Klint

Homer 'Odyssey' 1614

Kazimir Malovich

Katie Pratt

Margo Neale

Mary Wigman

Paul Klee

Richard Dadd 'The Fairy Fellers Master Stroke' 1855-64

Sarah Lucas

Tracy Emin

Wassily Kandinsky 'Composition V' 1911

GALLERIES + MUSEUMS + CURATORS

Cabaret Voltaire, Zürich 'Dada'

Camden Arts Centre 'Making and Unmaking' 2016

Duo Olowu

Hugh Lane, Dublin

Margo Neale, First Nations Curator, Museum of Australia, Canberra

Modernity, Stockholm

MUMA, Monash University, Melbourne

Simon Lee, London

Tate Britain

Tate Modern 'A Year in Art: Australia 1992'

The Box, Plymouth 'Songlines: Tracking the Seven Sisters' 

OTHER

BBC3 'The Essay' Jennifer Higgie 'Artists and the Spirit World'

Emanuel Swedenborg

Frieze magazine

Jennifer Higgie scriptwriter 'I Really Hate My Job' 2007

Lucracia Dalt

Marie Curie

Mark Tanner Award

Thomas Edison