Chris is trying to make sense of his logbooks. He has a Cessna 172 RG and he and his partners had a few electrical issues recently. Some of the logbook entries went in the airframe book and some went in the engine logbook, and he’s wondering about the decision-making process involved in picking the proper logbook. Mike said there’s no requirements around which

entry to put in which logbook, and in fact, there’s no requirement to have a logbook in the first place. It’s easier and retains the value of the aircraft, of course, but the need to keep a specific logbook isn’t based on regulation. The reason we use different logbooks, he said, is because if we were ever to sell the engine separately from the airplane, it would be nice to be able to

include the record in the sale. If the item would move with the engine, put it in the engine logbook. Paul said his shop only puts the annual inspection in one logbook, and typically that’s in the airframe book.

Brandon has a 1977 Cessna 182Q with a low-time engine. Every time he borescopes it he sees lots of lead buildup on the valve stems of the cooler cylinders. He’s wondering if there’s a way to run it hotter, or is there something he can add to the fuel. The hosts agree that it’s actually a mixture distribution issue, something normal and expected in the O-470. Paul had a 182 and

he did a bunch of lean testing. When he would lean to roughness and roll it back only enough to smooth out the engine, he would have two cylinders lean of peak, two at peak, and two rich of peak. Mike suggests adding TCP to the fuel. The main downside is that it’s quite toxic, so careful handling is required.

Scott is interested in pushing the boundaries of the maintenance regulations. He’s wondering if he is allowed to sign off an AD as an owner because the regs don’t specifically state it has to be a mechanic. Mike thinks it must be an A&P because they are inspections, and only A&Ps can do

inspections. There are a few ADs that explicitly allow the owner/operator to perform them. Paul suggests that a lot of ADs require a maintenance action that is outside the scope of owner-performed maintenance as well.

Mike is questioning Continental’s guidance that limits extended running below 2,300 rpm. He finds that his airplane runs smoothest at 2,100 rpm. Mike explains that the bulletin came about after an issue with Cape Air and their 402s. After a few in-flight engine failures, they grounded the fleet and started inspecting engines. The failures were caused by counterweight release with accelerated wear in the pins and bushings. Continental couldn’t find anything wrong with the parts, and they guessed that it was due to operation at low rpm. Cape Air was operating at high power, rich of peak. They never tracked down the real problem, and guessed this was the issue. Cape Air had gone from operating at 2,300 rpm to 2,200 rpm. Mike believes that if you are operating at high power and rich of peak, it might be worth observing the limit, but if you are

operating at low power, or lean of peak, you can ignore it.

John is a maintenance officer in a club, and he is wondering about tire ply ratings. The manual calls for 4 ply, but they often install 6 ply and he’s wondering if that’s ok. The hosts all agree that they have subbed in higher ply ratings when supply dictates. Paul’s rule of thumb is that he always allows a higher ply, but not lower. That’s because the ply rating relates to the weight of the aircraft. Heavier aircraft need higher ply ratings. They get into a discussion on retreads, which can cause issues. They like retreads, but caution that you must ensure they will fit in the wheel well on a retract. Paul worked on a 210 once that caught the skins when retracted.

Doug instructs in Aerostars, and he has worked with a number of clients lately who want him to omit the engine-out portion of the training in order to avoid stress on the engines. There’s talk in the Aerostar community about heavy and light cases. Mike said not to worry about the case. Rather, cylinders that rapidly cool are the concern and that’s because the piston and cylinder are different metal densities and cool at different rates, which can lead to scuffing. They all

agree the training is important, but pulling the power back slowly, rather than cutting the fuel, will help reduce the risk of engine damage. Paul makes the point that flight schools do this in Seminoles all day, and that he doesn’t hear of widespread issues. Failure isn’t a concern, Mike said. Scuffing is a wear issue. If it’s an issue, Paul said his pistons probably look terrible, but

he’s not going to worry about it. He already borescopes regularly. And Mike said he will run an aux tank dry on a long flight.

Jason has a Comanche 250 with some electrical issues. Throughout the flight the bus voltage will come down. After landing and taxiing in the voltage climbs back up, and rests around 13.8.

Recently after takeoff, the low voltage alarm flashed and went to 10.8 while raising the gear. The hosts think it’s a voltage regulator issue, where it works when cold but not warm. Paul said he thinks of voltage as an indicator of whether the system is working and the amps as an indicator of how hard it’s working. It should be around 13.8 or 14 when working properly. Colleen said she had an electrical issue where her JPI would go offline when she would cycle the gear. Under the panel she found that there was a loose connection on the shunt,

causing high resistance. Jason’s issue could be at the circuit breakers, voltage bus, voltage regulator, or any number of places. One way to easily troubleshoot is to see if he can find anything hot by running his hands along the wires. Or look for discoloration, Paul said.

Steve writes in asking about oil coolers. During his recent engine overhaul the shop asked if he wanted a congealing or non-congealing oil cooler. Congealing is bad, he thought, so he elected to go with non-congealing. But he lives in Arizona and he’s found the engine runs a bit hotter with a higher oil temperature in long climbs. He’s wondering if he made a mistake. Non-congealing oil coolers have a solid line running through the middle that passes warm oil through the cooler at all times. Mike thinks it’s possible the non-congealing has less cooling capacity

because it has less surface area.

Should you trade your aging airplane in anticipation of higher repair costs on your current bird? Mike, Paul, and Colleen have a strong opinion on this. Plus, sticky valves, taking good care of turbos, and engine monitor set-up frustrations.

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Scott has a Tecnam P2010 with a Lycoming IO-390. He’s had a few instances where cylinders dropped off, the engine ran rough, and then they quickly came back on. It was followed by morning sickness. In essence he had a sticky valve. He found that his CHT temperatures were quite low. At altitude, running the airplane at best cruise power, his CHTs are about 350 degrees. In climb if he leans he can get three cylinders over 350. Mike said he wouldn’t stress about the CHTs, but he would borescope the cylinders to verify that there isn’t too much build-up.

Yuriy has a new-to-him 2010 Cirrus SR22 that’s turbonormalized and he’s looking for some tips on taking care of his turbos. He flies lean of peak at 28 inches. He is limiting turbine inlet temperatures at 1,500 degrees. Mike thinks 1,500 is excessively conservative. The red line is 1,650 degrees, and Mike tries to keep his at or below 1,600 degrees. He also doesn’t subscribe to the one inch per minute reduction of manifold pressure. Lycoming at one time published a document that said not to cool CHT more than 60 degrees a minute. Mike’s engine monitor alarm is at 30 degrees a minute, and he said it doesn’t go off very often. He also doesn’t cool the turbo on the ground before shutting down unless he had high power right before landing for some reason.

Wade has a Cessna 185 with an IO-550. On his last annual he had a few burned exhaust valves. He’s trying to avoid higher maintenance bills in the future. Paul tries to make Wade feel better by telling him that burned valves have nothing to do with how he’s operating the engine and everything to do with the lead in avgas. Going through his operating technique, the only suggestion they have is for Wade to lean much faster, and avoid using the lean find feature. The green arc on his manifold pressure gauge is also wrong. He was worried that he’d have to take off at partial power in order to stay in the green arc on the gauge. The hosts discuss how to reprogram the display.

Matt doesn’t want to throw good money after bad. He’s wondering how long you should hang on to an airplane as it ages. He has a 1977 Cessna T210. Parts are starting to get scarce. It’s hard to find qualified mechanics. He feels like he wants a great airplane that lasts him well into the future. The hosts all agree that it’s better to hold on to the airplane he knows, and not to worry about 210 parts availability, at least when compared to other airplanes. 

Ever wonder how the flap system in a Cessna works? This episode Mike, Paul, and Colleen take a deep dive on the system, plus engine vibrations, leaning for high altitude takeoffs and go arounds, and getting bees out of a restoration.

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Ken is experiencing vibrations in his Cherokee at certain throttle settings. After installing an engine monitor he discovered that with the throttle at roughly 90 percent full he could induce the vibration, but then quell it by using the mixture. He could see that a cylinder was going offline at full rich, but came back online when leaned. Mike suggests that he needs to lean in the climb to compensate for the overly rich mixture, but Ken said he’s also able to stop the vibration by reducing the throttle setting but keeping the mixture full rich. The hosts still think he’s too rich. They recommend leaning in the climb and keeping the EGT constant as he climbs. Ken also noticed that the cylinder that goes offline is also an outlier on the engine monitor. They tell him to do a GAMI lean test and an induction leak test to try and isolate whether he has a problem or just a poor mixture distribution.

Find the test Mike described on Youtube: https://youtu.be/_VfiPuheeGw

For more on the induction leak test Paul described: https://www.savvyaviation.com/wp-content/uploads/savvy_pdf/Savvy-Flight-Test-Profile-Expanded.pdf

Marcus has a first generation Cirrus and he wants to ensure he is leaning properly for high-altitude takeoffs. Paul said to put his EGT around 1,300 or 1,350 degrees, which will put him close to the Cirrus chart, but is more accurate. For high altitude go arounds, Paul knows his fuel flow at around 1,300 degrees EGT, so he just sets the fuel flow to the expected amount.

Luke has been having an issue with the flaps coming down in his 182. What follows is a loooooonnng and detailed description of the Cessna flap system.

Blythe was restoring his family’s Cessna 150 and found a bunch of mud daubers. The inspection panels allowed him to clean out some, but he assumes there are more that he couldn’t reach. Paul said the potential corrosion is a key to the solution. He said the bees don’t like to build nests on corrosion inhibitors. He also said to make sure to check up the vertical stabilizer, which is a popular spot. Mike said he’s had luck with moth balls in other machinery. 

Can one high oil pressure reading forever alter your engine? Mike, Paul, and Colleen answer this question, plus the quirks of the O-470, compression test redemption, and repairman certificates.

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Everett is wondering if his oil pressure is forever altered. He has a Piper Colt with an O-235. The pressure used to be 75 psi, and on a flight the oil temp spiked and the pressured went up to 85 psi. Even after cylinder work, the temperature and pressure have remained high. Paul starts by asking if he’s sure the indications are correct. They suspect a blockage somewhere, although there’s no oil cooler on the O-235. They suggest getting a manual to check for the engine’s entire oil pathway and follow it to see if he can find a blockage.

Randall wants to know if the hosts are too hard on compression tests. He asks whether they hold any value. Mike said there’s no harm in doing compression tests, but that one should never change or overhaul a cylinder with compression numbers alone. Knowing where the air is escaping does offer some value, they say. There’s not much you can discover on a compression test that you wouldn’t discover on a borescope inspection that impacts safety of flight, Paul said.

Manuel asks how EGT and fuel flow relate on his Cessna 180. He’s seeing a spike in EGTs before they come down again on takeoff. The low compression O-470 will have higher EGTs, especially on takeoff. Mike said Manuel's engine monitor is configured for a carbureted engine, and thus puts a big time delay and smoothing function on the fuel flow. Without the smoothing, the fuel flow would wobble up and down often, making it hard to read. That’s why fuel flow indications rise so slowly after adding takeoff power. And bu slowly adding power, Manuel is delaying the addition of the enrichment function of the carb, which is why he’s seeing a delay for the EGTs coming down.

Marty is trying to understand repairman certification limitations. He’s done some work on his prop, magnetos, and so on, and he wants to make sure it’s all been legal. Mike said as he understands it, you basically have unlimited authority to do what you want on your airplane. The common sense rule applies, which is to get a demo or some instruction before you do it for the first time. 

Should you overhaul an engine based on oil analysis? The hosts answer this question, plus fuel pumps, valve grinding, and a pesky hot cylinder.

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David is worried about the relatively new IO-470 in his Bonanza. His oil analysis history shows a lot of aluminum, and recently, high on all metals. The narrative said to check for crankcase fretting. Paul said he would check the torque on the through bolts for piece of mind. Mike said he’s not particularly concerned about any of the numbers on the report. He said oil analysis is only a trend monitoring system. Once you establish a baseline you look for major diversions from the report. Colleen disagrees and said they aren’t stable, but have been increasing. There’s nothing that would cause all numbers to go up unless there’s dirt or a bad sample. Paul then details how David can use his borescope to look at the cam, a few lobes, lifters, and so on. It might not give him any information, but it could give him some reassurance that things are ok. Colleen suggests inspecting the pick-up screen if he can. Mike said he would never tear down an engine based on an oil report.

Maurice wants to know about the fuel pump on his Mooney M20J with a Continental IO-550. He has an altitude compensating fuel pump, and he wants to know how to use it. Mike explains that it automatically leans for you in the climb. Once he’s ready to lean in cruise, it’s time to lean manually.

Jared is ready to start grinding some valves. As he gets deeper into lapping valves in place, he’s wondering what sort of threats there are. Is it maintenance to the extent of being subjected to potential maintenance induced failures? Is it better to wait until a valve needs it, or could it be done pre-emptively? Mike said he wouldn’t necessarily do it pre-emptively, but if he sees any sort of potential deposits then it can be worth doing it. Paul said they go through an inspection process afterwards, including making sure the grinding compound is cleaned up as well as possible, that the valve keeper is properly in place, and that the bolts holding the rocker shaft holds are torqued properly. Paul said it’s critical to get another set of eyes and not check yourself. The hosts haven’t heard of any failures from lapping.

Chris has an O-540 in his Cherokee 6 that was recently overhauled. His number 6 cylinder spikes up to 450 degrees CHT on takeoff and he can’t figure out why. Mike looked at his data going back before the current engine and found that even the old engine had high temps on number 6. Chris finds that the cylinder also run the leanest. Paul suggests it could be an induction leak. 

A 182 mysteriously losses power and the hosts struggle to explain why. Plus, basic engine temperature theory, confusing ADs, and why it's so hard to find good help these days.

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Andrey was flying low and slow on autopilot for a mission when he noticed the airspeed dropping. He saw a drop in rpm, and an increase in manifold pressure. He also saw very low oil pressure. He added power, climbed, and returned to the airport. After landing, he checked the oil level and everything was fine. On a run-up check after talking to his mechanic, the engine stumbled. A new oil pressure sensor seemed to have fixed the issue, but he’s wondering if that’s really what was wrong. The hosts agree that it sounds like Andrey was having two issues because a drop in oil pressure shouldn’t impact engine performance. A big drop, or complete loss, will impact the prop governor, but not in the way Andrey experienced. After looking at the data they wonder if there was also something working through the oil pressure relief valve.

Willie has a Cessna 310T and is confused about the exhaust AD. He’s getting conflicting information from mechanics and 310 experts. Mike was involved in the fight surrounding this AD, which is so confusing that the FAA had to issue an SAIB after the AD to explain it further. Yet the community is still confused, with the top Twin Cessna shops divided on when the AD should be complied with. Mike said it’s his opinion that it happen at overhaul. Others believe it’s 12 years.

Andy is a maintenance manager and wants to know how to teach troubleshooting skills. Paul said in his experience techs can troubleshoot in their heads, do it via manuals and diagrams, or not do it at all. The process should not be, let’s go change this part and see what happens, he said. It should be, let’s go test something and see what we learn from the result. Relatively few mechanics are talented diagnosticians, Mike says. It requires a different skill set. Mike discusses Savvy Aviation’s new mechanic troubleshooting service they are working on.

Royce wants to know if power equals risk. For example, if you have a higher compression engine or a turbo engine that produces more heat, will that impact EGT? Are peaks different based on the engine? Mike said CHT is basically measuring how much heat is present during the power stroke, while the EGT is measuring how much energy is being wasted out the back door. Paul said you can see this with an in-flight mag check when EGT goes up and CHT goes down. Running on only one plug shows how it’s more wasteful. Compression ratio is the big determining factor in the level of peak EGT. A higher compression engine will waste less heat, and thus have lower EGTs. 

Can you have a prop strike without a prop? This is one of the more unusual questions the hosts have faced. They also track down a carbon monoxide leak, advise on Continental rpm settings, and help an owner who likely had a pre-ignition event.

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Robert is an A&P who is trying to help a flight school track down a carbon monoxide leak in a Cherokee. An instructor had a carbon monoxide event, took up a monitor, and found that it was reading at least 300 ppm. The exhaust and heater shroud were replaced, but the cabin was still getting more than 10 ppm. He’s wondering if there is a maximum level allowed in aircraft. Mike said Car 3 didn’t have a maximum, but that Part 23 says 50 ppm is the allowed maximum under current regulations. Hypoxia and carbon monoxide are cumulative, and he said his current comfort is below 20 ppm. He also said leaning impacts CO levels. Peak or lean of peak EGT lowers CO. How it gets in is a bit of a mystery sometimes. He said there was a case where Mooneys with air conditioning were drawing in air from the intake on the side of the airplane. Paul said in a Cherokee it comes in via the forward wing attach point. There is supposed to be insulation to stop it from coming into this area, but over time they are taken out or lost. It’s often not from the engine compartment. It’s through the belly or downstream from the exhaust pipe.

John wonders if you can have a prop strike without a prop on the engine. He bought an RV9 with the engine on, but no propeller. He loaded it into the back of a box truck. Stopping partway to check on it, he found the tie-down straps had slipped and the airplane had be banging around in the truck. He’s wondering if he should be concerned, and what he should be checking for. Paul said to put a dial indicator on it and check to make sure it’s less than .005. Some of the bolts on the Van’s prop simulator were lose, and one was hard to screw back in. Paul said he would be surprised if there was any damage.

Jesse has a 310 with Continental engines and he’s wondering about the service bulletin that recommends maintaining 2300 RPM in cruise. Previously the hosts said it’s probably good advice when rich of peak, but you could ignore it lean of peak. He wonders if he should go lean of peak first, and then pull the prop back, or is going to a lower rpm first ok? Mike thinks it’s sufficiently brief that it won’t make a difference.

Rick had an infant mortality issue with his Mooney. His A&P found valve wear, oil though the rings, and corrosion on the engine, which only had a few hundred hours. He did a top overhaul, flew for 27 hours with the propre break-in procedure. About 30 hours later he got a high CHT indication on a descent, followed by dropping oil pressure. The belly was coated with oil and only 2.5 quarts were left. They found broken rings on 3 of the cylinders. They took off the electronic ignition, but are looking for ideas as to what may have happened. Mike found Rick’s data, which showed the CHT event was in cylinder #1, and the temperature rose at around .7 degrees per second. That approaches Savvy’s rule of thumb that anything at a rate of a degree per second or higher is a pre-ignition event. The hosts think it's possible the electronic ignition was the culprit. He thinks the broken rings may be an unrelated event. Colleen said improper ring installation could have caused the new ones to break She also suggests checking to make sure he doesn’t have a cracked plug. 

How to identify CamGuard in an oil analysis, erratic idles, how to check the oil, and what the wrong prop does to an engine are on tap for the latest episode. Email [email protected] for a chance to be on the show.

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Tan has a 1968 Piper Arrow 180. He has an erratic idle as the engine warms. Mike and Paul said it sounds like maybe sticky valves. He and his mechanic haven’t done the wobble test. It almost can’t be a spark plug, Mike said. Colleen said it could be an ignition harness. Paul suggest he could do an in-flight mag check to help verify. Even though it should start with morning sickness, Paul said it’s not unlikely that it’s a sticky valve. Fuel could also be an issue, as they’ve cleaned the injectors, which Mike, Paul, and Colleen think they induces more problems than it solves.

Dicky is concerned about his last oil analysis report. Some of his wear metals are much higher since he’s been using CamGuard, and he’s wondering whether that’s normal. High calcium and high phosphorus are CamGuard’s signatures on an oil analysis, according to Mike. One thing Mike noticed that Dicky didn’t ask about was high silica, indicating dirt in the engine. High silica usually brings high wear metals because the dirt acts to scrub the cylinders. Dicky said he had a problem with his air filter box, and had replaced a part.

Enock is trying to settle a flight school debate. He checked the oil and the instructor asked if he screwed the dipstick back in when checking it, or if he just tapped the stick to the top of the tube. Everyone he asked at the school had a different answer. Paul said he screws it back in to check. Colleen agrees. Mike said all the readings should be taken with a grain of salt. He recommends running about two-thirds full. Many type certificate data sheets have a minimum level. And the only somewhat accurate reading is the first one of the day when the oil has time to fully drain back into the sump.

Rex is doing his best to follow the hosts’ leaning guidance. He has an RV-8 with an IO-360 engine with high compression pistons and e-mags and a fixed pitch propeller. He isn’t able to lean full throttle, but he can at cruise power. Mike clarifies that the guidance to leave the throttle full forward was for constant-speed propellers. Operating lean of peak slows the combustion event. The flame front takes longer to propagate. Engines don’t like lean of peak if the rpm is too high because the faster speed of the engine doesn’t like the disparity. Mike said he lowers rpm while keeping the throttle full before he leans. Then Rex makes an off-handed comment about his prop pitch, which the hosts quickly pick up on. They are convinced he has the wrong prop. He’s only getting 2400 rpm at full power in cruise. He also had a denotation event, and is trying to determine what the normal timing is supposed to be.

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Marko’s engine had a strong revving sound on takeoff. He saw that he had an EGT above 1,800 degrees and one that was below baseline. A run-up after landing made it seem like it one cylinder wasn’t firing. A borescope inspection revealed nothing unusual. A subsequent check of the injectors found that there was debris in one. His mechanic suggested it was a blocked injector. He’s wondering what would cause that. It turns out this event was soon after the annual when the injectors were cleaned. The hosts agree that the maintenance is clearly what caused the clogged injector. Mike said this is such a delicate operation that he thinks it’s almost as if the fuel system should only be cleaned under sterile conditions. Colleen said she used to clean hers, but now doesn’t because she knows the risks. Paul colorfully describes the problem of cross-contamination.

Dylan teaches in a carbureted Seminole and he wants to treat the engines well, and is looking for best practices. He mentions shock cooling, which the hosts quickly debunk. The school’s engines are over TBO and they’ve never had to replace a cylinder. Obviously whatever the school is doing is working. He’s also wondering about failing the engines. Lycoming recommends failing the engine with mixture, but many people like to shut off the fuel. Mike said he wouldn’t worry about shutting the engine down from the fuel selector, and that it shouldn’t introduce air or other issues.

Mike worked in the auto industry for many years, and he works on his own airplanes as much as possible. He’s wondering why aircraft engines don’t have ventilated crankcases. Mike said crankcase ventilation is primarily for environmental reasons. And piston aircraft engines have significantly more blowby. You don’t want to keep it in the crankcase. He said air/oil separators return a lot of junk back with the oil. You want the filth to leave as much as possible.

Doug has three altimeters in his airplane, and he’s wondering how to save money on the checks. Mike thinks he shouldn’t be charged three times for three checks because you hook up the equipment once, and adding on a second or third altimeter doesn’t take too much additional time. Each check includes about five tests, according to Paul, and each has to be separately documented.