In this episode I was joined by my dharma friend Lama Karma. During our time together we explored his time in Peru, using the native plant medicine ayahuasca. He said he couldn't help but relate to his experience through the lens of his vajrayana training, and shares some of how he makes sense of the experiences he had while using ayahuasca ceremonially.

We also get into a heart-felt conversation about Lama Karma's teacher, Lama Norlha, who recently passed away and who at the very end of his life was embroiled in a controversial storm with his community regarding widespread allegations of sexual misconduct. Karma shares his experience of being at the center of that storm, torn by paradox.

memorable quotes:

"For me it was this simultaneity of insanity and openness.” - Lama Karma

episode links:

• Milarepa Retreat Center
• Shanghai Kagyu
• Ayahuasca 
• Lama Norlha Rinpoche, founding abbot of Kagyu Thubten Chöling, dies at age 79

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