An audio version of “Back & Forth: Do Export Controls Erode the United States’ Lead—Or Protect It?”

CSIS’s Navin Girishankar and Matt Borman argue export controls have slowed China’s innovation ambitions, degraded Russia’s missile production, and shielded critical technologies from malign tactics.

Marco Macchiavelli counters that U.S. export controls erode the profitability of U.S. tech firms, are easily circumvented, and ultimately reduce U.S. economic leverage over China.