How I Built This with Guy Raz

Backroads: Tom Hale. How a desk worker became a trailblazer in active travel


Listen Later

In his 20’s, working an office job he hated, Tom woke up in the middle of the night with a wild idea: why not take people on bike trips? No playbook. No investors. Just a sense that he could make a living doing what he loved. His first trip? Four guests riding through Death Valley, pitching their own tents. From there, Backroads scaled to hotels, while weathering a bike burglary, a van rollover in the desert, 9/11, the Great Recession, and a pandemic that brought tourism to a halt. 

Today, Backroads runs 5,000+ trips a year in 60+ countries.

This is a masterclass in savvy cash flow, scrupulous quality control, and dogged iteration. If you care about travel, brand, or building a services business at scale—listen to this.

What you’ll learn:

  • How a 5,000 mile solo bike trip laid the groundwork for Backroads 
  • The first guided trip in Death Valley: four people, high winds, 50 miles/day 
  • How to get your stolen bikes back: confront the thief yourself 
  • The “collect early, pay late” flywheel that powered growth without investors
  • How Backroads survived 9/11, 2008, and COVID—and what changed after each shock
  • Avoiding the Instagram trap and delivering peak, uncrowded experiences


TImestamps:

  • 7:24 – Tom’s epiphany and the eight pages of notes that started Backroads
  • 10:15 – From cubicle to road bike: the solo trip that shaped the company’s DNA
  • 12:46 – Trip #1: Making mistakes in Death Valley—and learning fast
  • 24:47 – Tom’s DIY recovery operation after a warehouse burglary
  • 29:21 – Cash without capital: spend your deposits, pay hotels later 
  • 30:55 – The Nevada rollover: walking out of the ER…and running the next trips
  • 40:06 – Recovering after 9/11 and the financial crisis—and rebuilding the company’s value prop
  • 45:46 – Post-COVID surge, and avoiding the tyranny of the travel selfie 


This episode was produced by Casey Herman with music by Ramtin Arablouei. It was edited by Neva Grant. Our audio engineers were Patrick Murray and Jimmy Keeley.


Follow How I Built This:

Instagram → @howibuiltthis

X → @HowIBuiltThis

Facebook → How I Built This


Follow Guy Raz:

Instagram → @guy.raz

Youtube → guy_raz

X → @guyraz

Substack → guyraz.substack.com

Website → guyraz.com

See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

...more
View all episodesView all episodes
Download on the App Store

How I Built This with Guy RazBy Guy Raz | Wondery

  • 4.7
  • 4.7
  • 4.7
  • 4.7
  • 4.7

4.7

29,519 ratings


More shows like How I Built This with Guy Raz

View all
TED Radio Hour by NPR

TED Radio Hour

21,984 Listeners

Freakonomics Radio by Freakonomics Radio + Stitcher

Freakonomics Radio

32,056 Listeners

Planet Money by NPR

Planet Money

30,718 Listeners

Hidden Brain by Hidden Brain, Shankar Vedantam

Hidden Brain

43,530 Listeners

Acquired by Ben Gilbert and David Rosenthal

Acquired

4,623 Listeners

The Knowledge Project by Shane Parrish

The Knowledge Project

2,679 Listeners

This Is Actually Happening by Wondery

This Is Actually Happening

10,437 Listeners

Founders by David Senra

Founders

2,143 Listeners

The Pitch by Josh Muccio

The Pitch

1,483 Listeners

Terms by Airship | Wondery

Terms

774 Listeners

I Hate My Boss by Wondery

I Hate My Boss

467 Listeners

Masters of Scale by WaitWhat

Masters of Scale

3,981 Listeners

The Indicator from Planet Money by NPR

The Indicator from Planet Money

9,520 Listeners

Business Wars by Wondery

Business Wars

12,915 Listeners

Felonious Florida by Felonious Florida

Felonious Florida

4,144 Listeners

Legal Wars by Wondery

Legal Wars

2,152 Listeners

Sports Wars by Wondery

Sports Wars

3,046 Listeners

Wisdom From The Top with Guy Raz by Guy Raz | Luminary

Wisdom From The Top with Guy Raz

472 Listeners

The Shrink Next Door by Wondery | Bloomberg

The Shrink Next Door

22,962 Listeners

The Journal. by The Wall Street Journal & Spotify Studios

The Journal.

6,063 Listeners

My First Million by Hubspot Media

My First Million

2,642 Listeners

Secret Sauce by Wondery

Secret Sauce

255 Listeners

British Scandal by Wondery

British Scandal

2,468 Listeners

Uncommon Ground with Van Jones by Amazon Music | Van Jones

Uncommon Ground with Van Jones

252 Listeners

The Great Creators with Guy Raz by Guy Raz | Wondery

The Great Creators with Guy Raz

253 Listeners

Diss and Tell by Wondery

Diss and Tell

857 Listeners

Exposed: Cover-Up at Columbia University by Wondery

Exposed: Cover-Up at Columbia University

1,530 Listeners

Men in Blazers: Early Kick Off by Men in Blazers Media Network

Men in Blazers: Early Kick Off

396 Listeners

Severed Affair: The Gruesome Murder of Shad Thyrion by Law&Crime

Severed Affair: The Gruesome Murder of Shad Thyrion

231 Listeners

Moneywise by Hampton

Moneywise

654 Listeners

Black Swan Murder by Law & Crime

Black Swan Murder

68 Listeners

The Best Idea Yet by Wondery

The Best Idea Yet

539 Listeners

Lawless Planet by Wondery

Lawless Planet

198 Listeners