500 episodes of BackTable calls for a special reunion! The original hosts—Dr. Aaron Fritts, Dr. Chris Beck, Dr. Ally Baheti, Dr. Sabeen Dhand, Dr. Mike Barraza, and producer Kieran Gannon—come together to celebrate by reminiscing about the podcast’s origins and evolution. They discuss the challenges of improving the podcast, share funny behind-the-scenes moments, and highlight their favorite episodes. The team also offers insights into how they choose topics and reflects on their experiences with both virtual and in-person recordings. Finally, they introduce the new BackTable Studio and highlight the upcoming Creator Weekends.

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SYNPOSIS

To our BackTable community, thank you for tuning in every week. We look forward to continuing to serve your vascular and interventional education needs!

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TIMESTAMPS

00:00 Introduction

01:43 The Origin Story of Backtable

06:42 From Our Side of the Microphone: Hosting Episodes

25:57 Choosing Topics and Guests

32:55 Introducing the New BackTable Studio

38:27 Favorite Episodes and Memorable Moments

44:02 The Story Behind the Backtable Theme Music

47:49 The Iconic Backtable Hoodies

51:03 Closing Thoughts and Gratitude

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RESOURCES

BackTable Special 100th Episode Interview: https://www.backtable.com/shows/vi/podcasts/special/special-100th-episode-interview-with-backtable

IR technologists are a valuable part of the interventional team due to their technical expertise and hands-on contributions to patient and provider safety. Lake Odom, a seasoned IR tech with over 14 years of experience, sits down with host Dr. Ally Baheti to share his wisdom from his time in hospital-based and outpatient care settings.

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This podcast is supported by:

RADPAD® Radiation Protection

https://www.radpad.com/

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SYNPOSIS

Lake begins by describing his unconventional career path, the importance of passion in profession, and how he started his consulting businesses: IR Tech Tips and Image Guided Consultants. Lake also speaks on transitioning from the hospital to the outpatient-based lab (OBL) setting, and highlights key aspects of the tech’s role, including inventory management, patient workflow, and building efficient systems. The significance of understanding the financial intricacies within OBLs, common inefficiencies, and strategies to foster a culture of accountability and teamwork are also discussed. The episode provides valuable insights for IR technologists and other professionals seeking to improve their practices and operate at maximum potential.

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TIMESTAMPS

00:00 - Introduction

06:55 - Image Guided Consultants

12:07 - Improving Practice Efficiency

17:51 - Daily IR Tech Responsibilities

20:56 - Inventory Management and Preparedness

28:03 - Building Trust and Credibility

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RESOURCES

BackTable Ep. 130- Technologist Training & Retention with Andrew Struchen and Alisha Hawrylack: https://www.backtable.com/shows/vi/podcasts/130/technologist-training-retention

Image Guided Consultants:

https://igsconsults.com/

IR Tech Tips Course:

https://irtechtips.teachable.com/

Cone Beam CT has become a cornerstone of modern interventional practice. Are you utilizing it to its fullest potential? Dr. Michael Miller joins host Dr. Chris Beck to discuss Cone Beam CT, sharing advanced techniques and clinical pearls. Dr. Miller is an interventional radiologist and Associate Professor of Radiology at Atrium Health, Wake Forest Baptist Hospital, North Carolina.

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This podcast is supported by:

GE Healthcare Allia Image Guided Systems

https://www.gehealthcare.com/products/interventional-image-guided-systems/allia

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SYNPOSIS

Dr. Miller explains the importance of fundamental training and how fundamentals can be scaled across various procedures to improve outcomes, including vascular malformations and endoleaks. Dr. Miller then speaks to best practices that he has learned firsthand through his years of using Cone Beam CT. The doctors also touch on tips for setting up the IR suite and collaborating with anesthesia.

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TIMESTAMPS

00:00 - Introduction

07:22 - Advanced Uses of Cone Beam CT

15:04 - Setup and Best Practices

22:34 - Vascular Malformations

23:32 - Understanding Sclerosant Distribution

26:53 - Trajectory Guidance in Complex Cases

32:45 - Contrast Bolus Timing and Spin Techniques

40:16 - Advice for New Angio Suites

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RESOURCES

BackTable VI Podcast Episode #51 - Cone Beam CT Techniques with Dr. Austin Bourgeois:

https://www.backtable.com/shows/vi/podcasts/51/cone-beam-ct-techniques

Shujaat, S., Alfadley, A., Morgan, N., Jamleh, A., Riaz, M., Aboalela, A.A., Jacobs, R., 2024. Emergence of artificial intelligence for automating cone-beam computed tomography-derived maxillary sinus imaging tasks. A systematic review. Clin Implant Dent Relat Res 26, 899–912. https://doi.org/10.1111/cid.13352

Orth, R.C., Wallace, M.J., Kuo, M.D., Technology Assessment Committee of the Society of Interventional Radiology, 2009. C-arm cone-beam CT: general principles and technical considerations for use in interventional radiology. J Vasc Interv Radiol 20, S538-544. https://doi.org/10.1016/j.jvir.2009.04.026

Bapst, B., Lagadec, M., Breguet, R., Vilgrain, V., Ronot, M., 2016. Cone Beam Computed Tomography (CBCT) in the Field of Interventional Oncology of the Liver. Cardiovasc Intervent Radiol 39, 8–20. https://doi.org/10.1007/s00270-015-1180-6

Wallace, M.J., Kuo, M.D., Glaiberman, C., Binkert, C.A., Orth, R.C., Soulez, G., Technology Assessment Committee of the Society of Interventional Radiology, 2008. Three-dimensional C-arm cone-beam CT: applications in the interventional suite. J Vasc Interv Radiol 19, 799–813. https://doi.org/10.1016/j.jvir.2008.02.018

Bm, K., Sm, T., Mj, S., 2023. Cone-Beam CT With Enhanced Needle Guidance and Augmented Fluoroscopy Overlay: Applications in Interventional Radiology. AJR. American journal of roentgenology 221. https://doi.org/10.2214/AJR.22.28712

Kwok, Y.M., Irani, F.G., Tay, K.H., Yang, C.C., Padre, C.G., Tan, B.S., 2013. Effective dose estimates for cone beam computed tomography in interventional radiology. Eur Radiol 23, 3197–3204. https://doi.org/10.1007/s00330-013-2934-7

Varicoceles embolization is the least invasive treatment option for varicoceles, making it the favored option for most patients and a staple in the interventional radiologist’s procedural repertoire. Dr. John Matson joins host Dr. Ally Baheti to give us an essential guide to varicocele embolization, serving as an introduction for junior IRs and refresher for the more experienced. Dr. Matson is an Assistant Professor of Interventional Radiology at University of Virginia.

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RADPAD® Radiation Protection

https://www.radpad.com/

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SYNPOSIS

Dr. Mattson covers the indications, procedural setup, technique variations, and post-procedure follow-up for treating varicoceles, with specific attention to the different embolic materials used in clinical practice. He also delves into the importance of pre-procedure evaluations, imaging requirements, and managing potential complications.

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TIMESTAMPS

00:00 - Introduction

02:05 - Indications for Varicocele Embolization

06:05 - Procedure Setup and Execution

12:57 - Coil Sizing and Embolic Materials

17:36 - Managing Complications

20:25 - Post-Procedure Care and Follow-Up

Interested in setting up an Ambulatory Surgery Center (ASC) or Outpatient Based Lab (OBL)? Special guest Kristen Richards sits down with host Dr. Aaron Fritts to discuss the importance of establishing and tracking safety and quality metrics in the outpatient space to achieve success. Kristen is Vice President of Ambulatory Care at Cardiovascular Logistics in Chicago, IL.

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This podcast is supported by:

Philips Image Guided Therapy Solutions

https://www.usa.philips.com/healthcare/solutions/image-guided-therapy/all-products

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SYNPOSIS

Kristen shares insights from her experience in the cardiovascular ambulatory space, highlighting the necessity of patient safety, efficient care, and the benefits of outpatient settings over hospital environments. Patient selection, infection control, staff and physician satisfaction, economic drivers, and the future outlook for cardiovascular procedures in ASCs are some of the key topics discussed. Kristen also emphasizes the need for continuous data tracking to demonstrate and improve the quality of care provided in these centers.

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TIMESTAMPS

00:00 - Introduction

06:25 - Benefits of Out-of-Hospital Care

17:47 - Financial Incentives and Ownership Models

18:17 - Technological Advancements and Cost Reduction

25:00 - Considerations for Opening an ASC

31:58 - Importance of Quality Metrics

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RESOURCES

BackTable VI Podcast Episode #366

Navigating OBL & ASC Business: Pitfalls to Avoid with Teri Yates

https://www.backtable.com/shows/vi/podcasts/366/navigating-obl-asc-business-pitfalls-to-avoid

BackTable VI Podcast Episode #431

OBL or ASC for Your Private Practice? How to Decide with Teri Yates

https://www.backtable.com/shows/vi/podcasts/431/obl-or-asc-for-your-private-practice-how-to-decide

BackTable VI Podcast Episode #431

OBL or ASC for Your Private Practice? How to Decide with Teri Yates

https://www.backtable.com/shows/vi/podcasts/486/winning-the-revenue-cycle-game

Outpatient Endovascular and Interventional Society (OEIS) 2025 Conference:

https://oeisweb.com/

Cardiovascular Business:

https://cardiovascularbusiness.com/

SCAI:

https://scai.org/

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DISCLAIMER

Kristen Richards is a consultant for Philips. She has been compensated by Philips for their services in preparing and presenting this material. The opinions and clinical expertise presented herein by are specific to the featured speakers and are for informational purposes only. The results from their experiences may not be predicative for all subject, physicians or patients. Individual results may vary depending on a variety of patient-specific attributes and related factors. Nothing in this article is intended to provide specific medical advice or to take the place of written law or regulations.

Is your microwave ablation technique up to date? Dr. Ed Kim sits down with guest-host Dr. Kavi Krishnasamy to explore cutting-edge techniques in tumor ablation, with a focus on hepatocellular carcinoma (HCC) treatment with microwave. Dr. Ed Kim is the Director of Interventional Oncology and Professor of Radiology and Surgery in the Division of Vascular and Interventional Radiology at the Mount Sinai Medical Center.

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This podcast is supported by an educational grant from Varian, a Siemens Healthineers company.

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SYNPOSIS

The doctors discuss microwave ablation, radiation segmentectomy, and the decision-making algorithms for choosing appropriate procedures based on lesion characteristics. Dr. Kim touches on the complexities of ablation near the diaphragm and subcapsular lesions, emphasizing the impact of practitioner skill and experience on outcomes. Recent advancements in ablation technologies, software, and device-specific versus device-agnostic applications are also highlighted, along with the importance of post-contrast scans and ultrasound skills. Dr. Kim also delves into emerging technologies such as HistoSonics, augmented reality/virtual reality, and immunotherapy synergies. The doctors underscore the need for a multidisciplinary approach for optimizing patient outcomes and pushing the field toward future innovations.

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TIMESTAMPS

00:00 - Introduction

04:28 - Standardizing Ablation Algorithms

07:51 - Suboptimal Lesion Locations

13:06 - Device Selection and Properties

22:49 - Ablation Planning Software

32:53 - Real-Time Visualization

44:48 - Biopsy and Ablation Techniques

52:14 - Future of Ablation Technology

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RESOURCES

Dr. Ed Kim’s Publications:

https://scholars.mssm.edu/en/persons/edward-kim

ACCLAIM Trial:

https://www.sio-central.org/ACCLAIM-Trial

A multicenter randomized controlled trial to evaluate the efficacy of surgery versus radiofrequency ablation for small hepatocellular carcinoma (SURF trial): Analysis of overall survival:

https://ascopubs.org/doi/10.1200/JCO.2021.39.15_suppl.4093

Surgery versus thermal ablation for small-size colorectal liver metastases (COLLISION): An international, multicenter, phase III randomized controlled trial.

https://ascopubs.org/doi/10.1200/JCO.2024.42.17_suppl.LBA3501

SIR welcomes results of COLLISION Trial, presented at the 2024 ASCO Annual Meeting:

https://www.sirweb.org/media-and-pubs/media/news-release-archive/collision-trial-06032024/

HistoSonics:

https://histosonics.com/

How do interventional oncologists fit into the bigger picture of multidisciplinary cancer care? Today we hear the patient’s perspective from Lynn Lazzaro, a liver cancer survivor who underwent multiple interventional oncology procedures prior to liver resection and eventual transplant. Lynn sits down with host Dr. Eric Keller to discuss her journey from initial diagnosis to present day.

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This podcast was developed in collaboration with:

Interventional Initiative

https://theii.org/

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SYNPOSIS

Lynn provides insights on the importance of patient self-advocacy, seeking second opinions, and the benefits of a multidisciplinary approach when fighting cancer. Lynn encourages patients to be informed, ask questions, and connect with mentors, while also emphasizing the important duty physicians have in humanizing patient care. Her story highlights resilience, the value of teamwork among medical specialists, and the transformative potential of minimally invasive procedures.

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TIMESTAMPS

00:00 - Introduction

02:22 - Multidisciplinary Management

06:59 - Navigating TACE and Support Systems

13:39 - Surgical Interventions and Transplant Journey

19:09 - Reflections and Advice for Patients and Clinicians

26:13 - Conclusion

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RESOURCES

The Interventional Initiative:

https://theii.org/

The Cholangiocarcinoma Foundation:

https://cholangiocarcinoma.org/

How can interventional radiologists help patients with long COVID? Today we hear directly from Jillian Angeline, a long COVID survivor that benefited tremendously from minimally invasive interventional care. Jillian sits down with host Dr. Eric Keller, and shares how interventional radiologist Dr. Brooke Spencer helped get her life back by turning the tide against her long-haul COVID symptoms which had been ongoing for multiple years.

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This podcast was developed in collaboration with:

Interventional Initiative

https://theii.org/

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SYNPOSIS

Jillian shares her challenging journey from being an extremely active individual to barely being able to walk, due to persistent inflammation following COVID-19 infection. After seeing numerous physicians across various states and experiencing dismissal and misdiagnosis, Jillian was finally referred to Dr. Spencer at the MIPS Center in Colorado where she underwent a series of venous interventions that significantly helped her. This episode aims to raise awareness about possible life-changing IR options for patients suffering from long COVID, the importance of patient advocacy, and underscores multidisciplinary collaboration amongst medical professionals.

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TIMESTAMPS

00:00 - Introduction

02:33 - Jillian’s Journey

05:11 - Finding Interventional Radiologist, Dr. Brooke Spencer

08:39 - Venous Interventions

16:03 - Road to Healing

32:21 - Advice for Long COVID Patients

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RESOURCES

Dr. Brooke Spencer, MD, FSIR Practice:

https://mipscenter.com/about-us/dr-e-brooke-spencer-md-fsir/

The Interventional Initiative:

https://theii.org/

Looking to enhance your interventional oncology practice with renal tumor ablation? In this episode, host Dr. Don Garbett is joined by Dr. AJ Gunn to discuss the current landscape of renal tumor ablation and Dr. Gunn’s procedural tips for successful outcomes. Dr. Gunn is an interventional radiologist at the University of Alabama at Birmingham, with extensive experience in building service lines, including renal tumor management.

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This podcast is supported by:

RADPAD® Radiation Protection

https://www.radpad.com/

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SYNPOSIS

The doctors review various scoring systems to predict the risks associated with renal ablation. Dr. Gunn emphasizes that tumor size is the most consistent predictor of procedural complications, local recurrence, and metastasis. He also discusses ablation techniques and proactive steps to avoid complications, such as hydrodissection and the selection of appropriate ablation technology. He employs cryoablation for central renal tumors and large tumors to minimize damage to the collecting system, while using microwave ablation for smaller peripheral lesions. Additionally, prior literature and his personal experience suggest that preoperative embolization may be beneficial for larger hypervascular tumors.

Finally, Dr. Gunn speaks about the ongoing Embolization Before Ablation of Renal Cell Carcinoma (EMBARC) study and the importance of sharing knowledge and experiences within the interventional oncology community.

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TIMESTAMPS

00:00 - Introduction

04:24 - Practice Building Philosophy

09:29 - Importance of Clinical Follow Up

12:17 - Predictive Factors of Ablation Success

23:30 - Renal Ablation Technique

31:41 - Embolization Before Ablation

44:13 - The Future of Renal Tumor Treatments

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RESOURCES

Percutaneous Cryoablation of Stage T1b Renal Cell Carcinoma: Safety, Technical Results, and Clinical Outcomes (Gunn et al, 2019):

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8983093/

Should Renal Mass Biopsy Be Performed prior to or Concomitantly with Thermal Ablation? (Chung et al, 2018): https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/30075976/

EMBARC Trial:

https://med.stanford.edu/ir/clinical-trials/embarc.html

Society for Interventional Oncology (SIO) Conference: https://www.sio-central.org/Events/Annual-Scientific-Meeting

As providers, we know firsthand how impactful interventional radiology procedures can be. Today, we hear the perspective of Suzanne Martin, a patient who underwent life-saving radioembolization for stage 4 colorectal cancer. Suzanne shares her story with host Dr. Eric Keller, including how things took a positive turn when she was introduced to interventional radiologist Dr. Charles Nutting after initially undergoing ineffective chemotherapy treatment.

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This podcast was developed in collaboration with:

Interventional Initiative

https://theii.org/

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SYNPOSIS

Suzanne discusses her role as a motivational speaker and highlights the importance of patient self-advocacy and the collaborative efforts between oncologists and interventional radiologists. This inspiring episode underscores the transformative power of minimally invasive treatments and the significance of hope and teamwork in overcoming cancer.

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TIMESTAMPS

00:00 - Introduction

04:25 - SIR Spheres Procedure

07:10 - Post-Procedure Recovery Experience

09:49 - Long-Term Outcomes and Reflections

17:48 - Advocating for Yourself

19:07 - Finding Support and Hope

23:35 - Advice for Patients and Doctors

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RESOURCES

Dr. Charles Nutting Denver Practice:

https://www.drnutting.com/

Say Yes to Hope Cancer Support Group:

https://www.sayyestohope.org/