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In this episode, we discuss Ethereum's rise past $4,780 and co-host David Hoffman's insights from Burning Man. We explore Ethereum's treasury dynamics, the debut of the World Liberty Financial Token, and potential Bitcoin and Ethereum listings on major exchanges. The episode also covers advancements in tokenized securities, competition in prediction markets, and the quirky rise of tokenized Pokémon cards. Join us for a concise look at the latest in crypto!

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TIMESTAMPS & RESOURCES

0:00 Burning Man
7:30 Markets
https://thedefiant.io/news/markets/bitcoin-august-all-time-high-above-usd124k-could-be-cycle-top-coingecko
https://www.theblock.co/post/369477/ethereums-monthly-spot-volume-tops-bitcoin-trading-on-centralized-exchanges-for-first-time-in-over-7-years
https://x.com/RyanSAdams/status/1962945359988035865
https://www.theblock.co/post/369497/nasdaq-tightens-scrutiny-of-companies-raising-cash-to-buy-crypto-report
https://x.com/intocryptoverse/status/1963240688146948108
https://x.com/intocryptoverse/status/1962989752455700874
32:00 WLFI Dropped
https://x.com/DonaldJTrumpJr/status/1962485085896323466
https://x.com/worldlibertyfi/status/1960068943562870830
https://www.coingecko.com/en/coins/world-liberty-financial
https://governance.worldlibertyfinancial.com/t/proposal-use-100-of-wlfi-treasury-liquidity-fees-for-buyback-burn/41226
https://x.com/worldlibertyfi/status/1962648359681839381
https://x.com/NateGeraci/status/1962634267764166743
https://mail.blockworks.com/p/wlfi-the-token-is-the-product
https://x.com/jchervinsky/status/1962884341626773959
38:30 Tempo
https://x.com/matthuang/status/1963633379284587017
https://x.com/zcabrams/status/1963640969183859116
45:00 Tokenized Securities
https://x.com/OndoFinance/status/1886822778277351608
https://x.com/rleshner/status/1963211892438049172
49:50 Polymarket in US
https://x.com/shayne_coplan/status/1963280673709625346
https://www.cftc.gov/PressRoom/PressReleases/9113-25
https://x.com/shayne_coplan/status/1962903170859843759
https://x.com/shayne_coplan/status/1960377824793010489
https://x.com/williamlegate/status/1963386120471003607
https://x.com/allanmaman/status/1963406022183465032
55:14 Tokenized Pokemon
https://x.com/Collector_Crypt
58:49 Credit Score
https://x.com/mattyTokenomics/status/1963009390342242327

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Austin Campbell (NYU) and Omid Malekan (Columbia) debate a simple question: is Ethereum ready to host real-world assets?

They walk through stress tests—what if an exchange is hacked, a stablecoin breaks, or a court order targets the chain—and whether the network should ever step in.

You’ll hear where they agree and disagree, what protections are realistic today, and what still needs to be built before RWAs can scale.

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TIMESTAMPS

0:00 Intro

6:13 Twitter Debate Genesis

8:58 Bybit Hack

17:56 Crypto vs RWA Immutability

29:29 Ethereum Validator Intervention

33:11 Dealing with Multiple Jurisdictions

52:23 Credible Neutrality for a Multipolar World

1:00:32 Blockchain Use Cases

1:13:40 Consortium Chains

1:24:57 Closing Arguments

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RESOURCES

Omid Malekan

https://x.com/malekanoms 

https://www.omidmalekan.com/ 

Austin Campbell

https://x.com/campbelljaustin 

https://zero-in.beehiiv.com/ 

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What does BlackRock’s former crypto lead see in Ethereum that others still miss? Joseph Chalom joins Bankless to take us inside the IBIT/ETHA ramp, why BUIDL launched on Ethereum mainnet, and the simple—but powerful—framework he uses to value ETH as “high-octane money.” We break down staking inside ETFs, the tokenization roadmap from stablecoins to the S&P in your wallet, and the real mechanics of ETH treasury companies—mNAV premiums, ATMs, converts, and the transparency metrics that matter. Less hype, more architecture: if security, liquidity, and 24/7 settlement are the future, this is the bridge.

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TIMESTAMPS

0:00 Intro
3:53 Larry Fink’s arc: skeptic to champion
9:15 Joseph’s crypto journey
18:09 Aladdin × Coinbase Prime
20:55 Building IBIT
24:28 ETHA & ETH ETF staking approval
36:04 Tokenization roadmap & magnitude
44:48 SharpLink’s ETH bet
50:13 Ether as “high-octane money”
58:54 Beyond ‘buy and hold’
1:03:11 ETH vs BTC treasuries
1:06:09 Radical transparency
1:10:31 mNAV, ATMs & buybacks
1:19:10 Where’s the price impact?
1:25:32 How many treasuries win?
1:29:25 Closing thoughts

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RESOURCES

Joseph Chalom
https://x.com/joechalom

Sharplink
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On this week’s Weekly Rollup, Ryan and Haseeb debate if ETH’s new all-time high signals the top or just the start, with whales rotating from BTC into ETH and alt season heating up. Powell hints at rate cuts, ETFs keep pulling billions, and Tom Lee’s billion-dollar ETH bet takes center stage while treasury premiums sink. Meanwhile, Google teases an L1, Hyperliquid outpaces Robinhood, and Europe floats a digital euro, setting up another pivotal week in crypto.
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TIMESTAMPS & RESOURCES
0:00 Intro
0:38 Big Sean Crypto
https://x.com/altcoindaily/status/1960753873376961031
3:20 Powell’s speech last week
https://www.nbcnews.com/business/economy/powell-opens-door-potential-rate-cut-speech-jack
https://x.com/FinanceLancelot/status/1958934829082583312
https://x.com/Cointelegraph/status/1958907551442993491:
https://x.com/charliebilello/status/1958910251819786478
https://x.com/AnnaEconomist/status/1958923556680536487
9:10 Markets
https://x.com/JSeyff/status/1959982000804442559
https://x.com/BanklessHQ/status/1958941150041317514
https://x.com/speculatorart/status/1960322107864141966
https://www.coindesk.com/markets/2025/08/25/bitcoin-flash-crash-triggers-usd550m-in-sunday-l
https://x.com/JacobKinge/status/1959724849598718428
https://x.com/lookonchain/status/1958767845934080277
https://x.com/woonomic/status/1960442328604200987
24:53 HYPE Crushing it - competitive with major exchanges
https://x.com/cointelegraph/status/1960379396927213990
https://blockworks-research.beehiiv.com/p/is-hype-still-cheap-8541fea8eaae3e65
https://x.com/infinitybanyan/status/1960373080389304611
34:55 SOL DATs are coming - 3 of em!
https://x.com/matthew_sigel/status/1959942140500365564
https://x.com/SolanaFloor/status/1959948823280619558
https://decrypt.co/336832/pantera-capital-eyes-1-25b-raise-solana-treasury-firm
https://panteracapital.com/blockchain-letter/dat-value-creation/
https://mcga.com/news/trump-media-group-cro-strategy-to-acquire-cro-digital-asset-treasury
https://blockworks.co/analytics/treasury-companies/market-data
42:01 Google is building its L1
https://www.linkedin.com/posts/rich-widmann-a816a54b_all-this-talk-of-layer-1-blockchains-has-activity-7366124738848415744-7idA/
49:35 US GOV - will publish GDP figures onchain!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cbEPqUdelFo
https://blog.chain.link/united-states-department-of-commerce-macroeconomic-data/
https://x.com/Cointelegraph/status/1961067983800881224
https://x.com/krakenfx/status/1961081675175149795
https://etherscan.io/address/0x36ccdf11044f60f196e981970d592a7de567ed7b#code
https://docs.chain.link/data-feeds/us-government-macroeconomic/addresses?page=1&testnetPage=1
51:41 The EU may release a Stablecoin on a public chain - Ethereum or Solana
https://x.com/DefiIgnas/status/1958754787345727712
https://app.rwa.xyz/stablecoins
https://www.reuters.com/business/finance/china-considering-yuan-backed-stablecoins-boost-global-currency-usage-sources-2025-08-21/
56:45 Kanye West released $YZY
https://x.com/kanyewest/status/1958346810801697237
https://x.com/CryptoHayes/status/1958356982991401006
https://x.com/lookonchain/status/1958355708010975580
https://x.com/JamesWynnReal/status/1958383968945831940
59:43 DOJ announced that it won’t bring charges against non-custodial developers
https://x.com/BanklessHQ/status/1958645825732501566
1:04:51 Closing & Disclaimers
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ETHZilla wants to turn ETH into Wall Street’s new reserve asset, and they’ve built a plan to do it. Ryan sits down with Avichal Garg (Electric Capital) and Mac Rudisill (ETHZilla) to unpack why ETH treasuries exploded this cycle, how credit markets (converts, preferreds, and debt) supercharge accumulation, and why stablecoins → DeFi → ETH forms a flywheel that turns Ether into high-quality collateral. We dig into leverage discipline, mNAV premiums, operational security, and the business math that makes an ETH treasury look more like Berkshire than a hype trade. Plus: can this wave trigger a DeFi after-boom, and what does “winning” actually mean for ETHZilla?

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TIMESTAMPS

0:00 Intro
3:53 Catching Tom Lee and Peter Thiel Backing
7:53 Treasury vs. ETF vs. Just Holding ETH
11:58 Why Treasuries Are Booming
16:51 New Debt Instruments & Appetite
22:00 Leverage, Rehypothecation & Risk Controls
29:50 The Big Unlock: ETH as High-Quality Collateral
34:35 Stablecoins → DeFi → ETH Flywheel
38:55 “ETH Is the Next Bitcoin?”
54:51 Why ETH Lagged BTC
56:05 ETH vs BTC Treasuries: Yield Surface
1:01:33 Why Electric Capital Runs Deployment
1:03:45 Buy Rules: Time vs. Price
1:09:00 Attention Matters: Spokesperson & Community
1:13:24 What “Winning” Looks Like for ETHZilla
1:17:59 Where Are We in the Cycle?
1:26:12 DeFi Afterboom?

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RESOURCES

Maria Shen’s “Beyond Stablecoins” Report
https://x.com/MariaShen/status/1942658782439395815

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Crypto cycles have always topped on a four-year rhythm, but are we heading for a Q4 2025 peak or an extended run into 2026?
Michael Nadeau from The DeFi Report joins Ryan to break down the onchain and macro signals shaping this cycle. We cover Powell’s dovish pivot at Jackson Hole, global liquidity trends, and why loosening bank lending standards could fuel risk-on markets. Michael explains how whale Bitcoin selling, ETH’s breakout, and muted altcoin flows fit into the bigger cycle map. Finally, we dive into portfolio strategy, from core holdings to high-beta “hot sauce” bets, and why holding fewer, higher-conviction assets is the edge most investors miss.
Michael Nadeau & The DeFi Report:
https://x.com/JustDeauIt
https://thedefireport.io
https://thedefireport.io/research/how-many-assets-should-you-hold-in-a-crypto-portfolio#closing-thoughts

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TIMESTAMPS
0:00 Intro
3:01 Global Liquidity Insights
6:44 Market Valuations Discussion
9:53 Lending Standards & Bank Activity
11:49 Powell's Impact on Markets
15:34 Inflation and Market Psychology
17:38 Bitcoin Fear and Greed Index
18:58 Long-term vs Short-term Holders
22:45 Realized Price vs Market Value
26:34 Altcoin Market Dynamics
31:19 Extended Cycle vs Classic Cycle
35:06 Portfolio Construction Strategies
39:27 Core vs Non-Core Asset Holdings
43:10 High Beta Assets Explained
45:54 Cash Allocation Strategies
54:05 Upcoming Research and Reports
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Eric Peters, CIO of Coinbase Asset Management joins Ryan to chart how crypto matured to today’s institutional market with deep liquidity, ETF rails, and stablecoin clarity.

They unpack why Wall Street is leaning in, why the next wave is digitally native issuance of treasuries, bonds, and equities on Ethereum, and how macro tailwinds (fiscal dominance, Fed–Treasury convergence, AI-driven productivity) intersect with crypto’s reflexivity. 

Risks and realities aren’t ignored—over-financialized “treasury companies,” security lapses, and policy whiplash—plus a 12–18 month roadmap of real on-chain use cases as pensions and sovereigns start arriving. 

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TIMESTAMPS

0:00 Intro

5:55 Throwback to 2020

9:29 Institutional Infra: Before & After

11:47 Institutional Adoption: Before & After

15:57 TradFi ETF Incentives

19:07 Did Crypto Become Consensus?

22:45 Balancing Conviction & Change of Opinion

28:20 The Story of Money

33:19 Institutional Understanding

37:57 Is Crypto Too Big to be Shut Down?

43:44 Operation Chokepoint Takeaways

49:18 Crypto Regulation 180

56:13 Working with Different Jurisdictions

1:04:05 The Future of Tokenization

1:10:10 Crypto ETFs Aftermath

1:18:32 How High Can Crypto Go?

1:32:23 Treasury Companies

1:38:27 Eric’s Macro Trades

1:44:18 What Could Go Wrong?

1:48:04 Coinbase Asset Management

1:53:34 What’s Next?

1:54:52 Closing

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RESOURCES

Eric Peters

https://www.linkedin.com/in/charlesericpeters/ 

Coinbase Asset Management

https://www.cbassetmgmt.com/ 

One River Asset Management
https://www.oneriveram.com/ 

Last Eric Peters interviews

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z8oocKy3IwU 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NMPiGjxdH0E 

Vitalik’s Interview

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNSnYIjoqOM 

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On this week’s Weekly Rollup Ryan and David ask if the cycle top is in and whether alt season is coming, debating if it is time to buy the dip or sell everything while reviewing 30 market signals. ETH ETFs pull in over $3B as Tom Lee buys and Saylor mints more MicroStrategy shares, yet prices remain stuck and treasury premiums compress. Meanwhile the Fed signals a pro-crypto shift, Wyoming unveils a state stablecoin, and New York threatens new taxes, setting up another pivotal week in crypto.

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TIMESTAMPS & RESOURCES

0:00 Intro

0:10 What if $124,000 was the cycle top and there won’t be an altseason?

https://x.com/QuintenFrancois/status/1957893416282648646

5:10 Markets

https://x.com/TheStalwart/status/1958179878940901700

https://x.com/TheStalwart/status/1958179988802302124

https://www.cnbc.com/2025/08/18/openai-sam-altman-warns-ai-market-is-in-a-bubble.html

https://www.theverge.com/ai-artificial-intelligence/759965/sam-altman-openai-ai-bubble-interview

https://www.tradingview.com/chart/1RYLG2gC/

https://finance-commerce.com/2025/08/fed-rate-cut-debate-jobs-inflation/

https://polymarket.com/event/fed-decision-in-september?tid=1755697973403

https://farside.co.uk/eth/

https://x.com/hildobby/status/1957489251890962578

https://x.com/Cointelegraph/status/1957491638671949895

21:12 Treasuries keep buying…but mNAV losing it’s premium.. Is the treasury meta over? 

Bitmine became the 2nd largest crypto treasury 

https://x.com/SERdotxyz/status/1957417581138288945

https://x.com/arkham/status/1956387897830965711

https://x.com/RyanSAdams/status/1957849710678384977

https://www.strategicethreserve.xyz/

https://x.com/Cointelegraph/status/1957623767443587218

https://www.tradingview.com/chart/1CDu50yK/?symbol=NASDAQ%3AETHZ

https://x.com/saylor/status/1957413273122287738

https://x.com/kale_abe/status/1957433733025288674

https://youtu.be/hEJueJxftuU?si=682aUZrlLGwuDDCg 

https://blockworks.co/analytics/treasury-companies/bitcoin-treasury-companies

https://www.coindesk.com/business/2025/08/18/btcs-to-pay-first-ever-ether-dividend-loyalty-bonus-to-discourage-short-selling

41:00 Is the current crypto cycle over?

https://www.coinglass.com/bull-market-peak-signals

https://x.com/fejau_inc/status/1957672639054639465 

https://x.com/nic__carter/status/1957875046002680141

https://x.com/NateGeraci/status/1957074513365016952

https://cointelegraph.com/news/norway-sovereign-wealth-fund-bitcoin-exposure

50:05 Gemini is getting ready for its IPO

https://www.theblock.co/post/367160/gemini-ipo-filing-exchange-targets-nasdaq-as-gemi-reveals-dip-in-revenue

51:06 New York proposed 0.2% tax on digital asset transactions starting September

https://x.com/Cointelegraph/status/1956423461342969915

53:43 Wyoming launched the first stablecoin issued by a US state

https://x.com/eleanorterrett/status/1957763504435524055

55:01 Exec director crypto whitehouse - Bo Hines left exchanged White House for Tether

https://tether.io/news/tether-appoints-former-white-house-crypto-council-executive-director-bo-hines-as-strategic-advisor-for-digital-assets-and-u-s-strategy/

57:35 SEC is investigating the CEO of WLFI treasury company 

https://x.com/zoomerfied/status/1957856353537372614

https://x.com/ALT5_Sigma/status/1957946923647922519

https://x.com/Jonisaac702/status/1957903664393384023

59:04 FED is turning bullish on crypto

https://www.theblock.co/post/367508/we-stand-at-a-crossroads-feds-bowman-urges-more-of-an-embrace-toward-crypto-and-tech

1:02:05 Closing & Disclaimers

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What if everything you thought about the dollar was wrong?
Monetary historian Jeff Snider joins Bankless to deliver a radical thesis: the Federal Reserve doesn't control the U.S. dollar; a sprawling offshore system of interbank ledger money does. This hidden network, known as the Eurodollar system, is the real engine of global finance, and it’s been breaking down for over 15 years.
In this episode, we unpack how Eurodollars work, why the Fed lost control, the eerie similarities between stablecoins and shadow banking, and why Jeff sees a “Silent Depression,” masked by asset booms but driven by deflationary forces.
If you’ve been bullish on crypto because of debasement fears, Jeff’s counter-narrative might challenge everything you believe.

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TIMESTAMPS

0:00 Intro
5:30 Who’s Actually in Charge of the Dollar?
12:55 Stablecoins vs. Eurodollars
21:19 Did the Fed Ever Have Control?
30:02 Eurodollar Demand & Market Forces
38:24 What Backs a Eurodollar?
46:38 The Silent Depression Since 2008
52:58 From Fed Power to $6 Trillion Lost
58:45 Jeff’s Portfolio Thesis
1:05:24 “There’s No Debasement”
1:14:19 The Jeff Snider Portfolio

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Jeff Snider
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Eurodollar University
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What if everything you thought about the dollar was wrong?
Monetary historian Jeff Snider joins Bankless to deliver a radical thesis: the Federal Reserve doesn't control the U.S. dollar; a sprawling offshore system of interbank ledger money does. This hidden network, known as the Eurodollar system, is the real engine of global finance, and it’s been breaking down for over 15 years.
In this episode, we unpack how Eurodollars work, why the Fed lost control, the eerie similarities between stablecoins and shadow banking, and why Jeff sees a “Silent Depression,” masked by asset booms but driven by deflationary forces.
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TIMESTAMPS

0:00 Intro
5:30 Who’s Actually in Charge of the Dollar?
12:55 Stablecoins vs. Eurodollars
21:19 Did the Fed Ever Have Control?
30:02 Eurodollar Demand & Market Forces
38:24 What Backs a Eurodollar?
46:38 The Silent Depression Since 2008
52:58 From Fed Power to $6 Trillion Lost
58:45 Jeff’s Portfolio Thesis
1:05:24 “There’s No Debasement”
1:14:19 The Jeff Snider Portfolio

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Jeff Snider
https://x.com/JeffSnider_EDU

Eurodollar University
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