Be It Till You See It

Lesley and Brad go in-depth about a number of points from the previous episode with Christina Lecuyer. They cover hitting rock bottom, happiness, our self-identities, consistency, and persistency.

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In this episode you will learn about:

• Hitting rock bottom
• Happiness
• The things that we allow to define our identity and what happens when they change
• Consistency and persistency

Episode References/Links:

• Tiny Habits, by BJ Fogg
• To Sell Is Human, by Daniel Pink
• Christina's podcast, Decide It's Your Turn
• Christina's website
• Christina's IG

Guest Bio:

Christina Lecuyer is a former professional golfer turned Confidence and Success Coach, Motivational Speaker, and Host of “Decide It’s Your Turn: The Podcast”. Through one-on-one coaching, mastermind programs, immersive events such as “Decide It’s Your Turn: Live” and “Decide It’s Your Turn: The Retreat”; Christina helps you shatter limiting beliefs, become more confident, and holds you accountable to creating and executing your most purposeful and profitable life!

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Resources

• Watch the Be It Till You See It podcast on YouTube!
• Lesley Logan website
• Be It Till You See It Podcast
• Online Pilates Classes by Lesley Logan
• Online Pilates Classes by Lesley Logan on YouTube
• Profitable Pilates

Social Media

• Instagram
• Facebook
• LinkedIn

Episode Transcript:

Lesley Logan  

Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guests will bring Bold, Executable, Intrinsic and Targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.

Lesley Logan  

Welcome back to the Be It Till You See It interview recap where my co host in life, Brad and I are going to dig into the powerful conversation with Christina Lecuyer. In our last episode, if you haven't lis... if you haven't (Lesley laughs)

Brad Crowell  

That's all one sentence y'all.

Lesley Logan  

That was all one sentence. But you know what, it's okay. Perfect is boring. If you haven't yet listened to that interview, feel free to pause this now, go back and listen to that one and then come back and join us. Y'all, if you're listening on the Apple. It's gonna put things out of order when you go back. So just you know, click in...

Brad Crowell  

It does weird (Lesley: it does weird) stuff like that, right. (Lesley: It does. It doesn't show you...) they just revamp the whole app and then they decided that the most recent is the one that they're gonna play first. No, I want it literally want it the other way around.

Lesley Logan  

Yeah, I want it to show me the last time I've listened. (Brad: Yeah) And then play in order because everyone's podcast. (Brad: Yeah) Anyways...

Brad Crowell  

Come on Apple, get your shit together.

Lesley Logan  

Oh, anyways, let's talk about this for a second because, aside from I'm not excited about Apple, but what I am excited about y'all I put together this thing. Brad doesn't even I don't think he knows about it yet. But, um in a couple weeks, I'm going to do a free webinar because I have been obsessed this year with hacking, like time hacking routines, "How do I get more done without being tired?" And what I have discovered is, all the things that we know about creating habits is wrong. It's totally wrong. And so I'm doing a free webinar to talk about the things that you're doing that are actually causing your habits to not be created. And what you should do instead, totally gonna be free. It's coming up and you can get on our... if you get on our waitlist for our upcoming challenge. Don't worry if you don't want to sign up for the challenge, I get it. But if you get on that waitlist, I'm going to let all those people know about that free webinar because it goes along with our challenge. So, it's free webinar 100withme.com 100withme.com. Get on that waitlist and you all be the first to sign up for the free webinar. But...

Brad Crowell  

That's exciting! (Lesley: Is that cool?) Yeah, I can't wait. I want to know how my habits and everything I know about habits are not correct. (Lesley: Yeah) I'm looking forward to that.

Lesley Logan  

Yeah, I've been studying with BJ Fogg every Thursday I have lunch with him. I mean there's other people on there too, but not as many as you think. And he is the behavior, the founder of the Behavioral Sciences for Stanford. (Brad: Right) And he has this amazing book, and I've just been studying with the book and with him and taking his trainings. And I'm just really stoked because we too often especially because I know ladies, if you listen to this. We think there's something wrong with us, when we can't do something we wanna do. But it's not you. Not fun. Not fun. So anyways... Alright, so we have an audience question that's what I'm excited about.

Brad Crowell  

We we totally do. And this one, I swear y'all have it out for me. (Lesley and Brad laughs) Today's audience question is, "What are your morning routines?"

Lesley Logan  

Um, well,

Brad Crowell  

I think you'll find that I'm gonna win this question.

Lesley Logan  

Well there's... there's no winning that question... (Brad laughs) But also... Okay, in your defense, sir. Some people have morning routines. Some people have night routines. Some people have both. I think you have a night routine more than a morning routine...

Brad Crowell  

You're very gracious. Thank you. I was willing to walk under the bus on this one.

Lesley Logan  

Well, share yours and I'll share mine.

Brad Crowell  

So this morning's routine was getting a phone call saying, "Your alarm is ringing. And you need to turn it off." And then going... "I need to do something." Got up, ran right to my computer. Didn't even get coffee.

Lesley Logan  

I will say this. I was, I was meditating, I was doing this breath work class and I could hear his alarm down the hall and through two doors. And it was really frustrating me because I was trying just to focus on my breath work and just focus on it. And I was like, "This is...."

Brad Crowell  

I'm here for you, babe. I'm here... you're growing.

Lesley Logan  

Yeah. So, I was like, "Look, I just needed to stop," and then I don't mind. So, I just hit the favorites on my phone and when I end let it ring and then I didn't when you answered I'm like your alarm is going off and it's annoying and then I hang up. (Brad and Lesley laughs) Anyways, I did notice that you got went straight to your desk without a coffee. So yeah, your morning routine is not really something that you have set up yet.

Brad Crowell  

Yeah, I keep trying over the years. The only time I've ever had a legit morning routine was when I was going to a yoga class at 6:30 in the morning. (Lesley: Yeah) And that was that was an interesting like window. I had, I did it for almost three years where I was getting up super early.

Lesley Logan  

Yes. And you went three times a week, in the morning, I will say your routine after that yoga class was more set in stone than before the yoga class.

Brad Crowell  

Well, that's yeah, because I had to be I was working for someone else, had to be in the office. You know, all the things. And so in order for me to get my class and I was getting, you know, before the office, so it was definitely driven by, you know, being in an office. And then as soon as I left that position, actually, it was a combination. I kept that for a while, and then the and then the class moved (Lesley: Yeah) locations and times and all things and everything just went out the window.

Lesley Logan  

It's okay, you know what you should do? Come to my free webinar. (Brad: Oh!) Yeah. (Lesley laughs) (Brad: That's sounds great...) If you're gonna come to my free webinar and I'm going to teach you.

Brad Crowell  

Alright, well, tell us about your morning routine.

Lesley Logan  

My morning routine is sick. Okay, so um (Brad: sick in a good way.) I love, I love a morning routine and I have dabbled a lot in a night routine. And I have a pretty good one but it does vary because of the time it starts. Because just dinner time affects that. So, my morning routine is much stronger. I get up. And as soon as I put my feet on the ground, I say "Today is gonna be amazing day". And then I (Brad: Do you say this out loud?)

Lesley Logan  

No!

Brad Crowell  

Oh, okay.

Lesley Logan  

No, I just say it to myself, I don't want you to interrupt because you'll be like, "What? What are you saying?" And I'll be like, "Is it gonna be amazing? I just got interrupted on my...."

Brad Crowell  

But you should... Well, I guess we can talk about your amazing alarm clock later.

Lesley Logan  

Oh, so okay, actually, it does start with that. So I have a sunrise simulation alarm clock because I was hitting snooze too much and I was never someone who hit snooze, pre-COVID and now...

Brad Crowell  

I thought you're gonna say pre-Brad. But yeah, we'll go with pre-COVID.

Lesley Logan  

No, pre-COVID I never hit snooze... alarm would go off. And I think it also was like, maybe had to do with like, it was a studio apartment. The neighbors could hear the alarm like (Brad: Yeah) the whole thing. (Brad: That's so true) So like, I would just like get up and now like, no one cares and he sleeps through his alarm as we know. So anyways, um, so, um, I randomly bought this like crappy sunrise simulation alarm clock, and I literally the first day I used it. I didn't hit snooze... a) I didn't know how, b) the sunrise woke, I just like woke up to the sunrise. And because we have we sleep in the darkness, for Brad, like it was so good for me. So I got rid of that one, I got a better one. And I have a sunset simulator and a sunrise simulator. So I fall asleep so fast and I wake up and that wakes me up. I usually wake up before the alarm actually goes up because (Brad: yeah) the light is getting brighter and brighter, and I just get up. Then I drink some water, brush my teeth and walk the dogs. And I used to walk them for about an hour and now it's about 30 minutes because too hot. That's on them. I could keep going but you know, I got to get their pads inside. And then I either do a Pilates workout or a weight training workout before I have coffee, and my breakfast where I read a book while I'm eating my breakfast so that I have something to do. Like I can actually get through a book because that was important to me. And then when I after I take my shower, get dressed for the day and I come to my desk, I write down my goals for the day on a piece of paper before I start working. That is my morning routine.

Brad Crowell  

And when I get up she goes "I'm winning the day!" (Lesley: I know I do...) She says, "I had a, I had a full day already."

Lesley Logan  

A full day already. (Lesley laughs) Full day!

Brad Crowell  

Yeah, you definitely did. It sounds like you had a full day I didn't even know you did half those things.

Lesley Logan  

I know you didn't. And you know what when when my father and brother leave the house. I'll go back to my other morning routine and I can't wait because I'll get to do all of that alone.

Brad Crowell  

Yeah, and with, what, spinning or whatever.

Lesley Logan  

Yeah, I'll get to spin again. All the things. So anyways, great question. Thanks for sending and you can send your questions in to @be_it_pod on Instagram, whatever you want to know and then we put it in the lineup.

Brad Crowell  

Love it!

Lesley Logan  

All right, so what's next love?

Brad Crowell  

Alright, let's talk about the last episode with Christina Lecuyer. Christina is a powerful gregarious confidence and success coach. She spent 10 years recreating her self-identity after leaving her career as a professional golfer and model. Her charisma is contagious. Her delivery is concrete. It's no wonder she speaks from stage, you probably know exactly what I'm talking about if you've already listened to the last episode, I thought it was a really powerful interview, and it had so many takeaways.

Lesley Logan  

Yeah, I really, I mean, I had so much fun talking to her. I've known her for a while, and she is a force. And I really loved when she was talking about hitting rock bottom in her life. She talked, she asked herself, like, "How can people who have less than you be happier than you?" And, you know, I think a lot of times when we're kind of down on their on our luck or down on ourselves, or feeling like everything is happening to us, it's not easy to, to have a question like that like that you can, like, get in observation mode, but I love that she did because it totally changed the trajectory of what she's working on.

Brad Crowell  

Yeah, and I think it was, also she was talking about the end of her golfing career where she was clearly, you know, she's a pro golfer, right? And then what happens after that, and trying to like, reimagine herself and understand who she was, you know, at that point, because her entire mindset and identity was wrapped up in golf. And then she left there and was like, like, why am I not happy? And she's looking around, like, "I have, I have all the things." Quote, unquote, "'The things' that the world says I should pursue, but I'm not happy. How come?" (Lesley: Yeah) You know, and I think that was a, it's also fascinating, it's something that has, it crosses my mind every single time we're in Cambodia and you see, you know, a family living in a village with, you know, basically nothing, and they, like, literally have an entire family living on a boat. (Lesley: Yes) That is 10 feet long. You know, and, and it's like...(Lesley: floating in the water, they live on that and they...) three or four people living on a plank, basically, it's mind boggling.

Lesley Logan  

And they're smiling and they're waving and they're laughing, and they're playing in the water. And, you know...

Brad Crowell  

They just they fish. (Lesley: Yeah) That's what they do.

Lesley Logan  

No, I love that you brought that up, I think it's well, you know, also, I think so many of us idenif... like, hold on to an identity, and it's we struggle when it's changing. (Brad: Yeah) And because who are we without that? And then, you know, I think that's I love that, that she asked herself this question because if she was, you know, all of us, at some point are going to transition from what we think we were, you're going to retire someday then you're you know, like, you're, you're gonna go from single to married or, or reverse that. And and so I think it's really...

Brad Crowell  

It's ironically, change is constant. (Lesley: Yeah) Yeah.

Lesley Logan  

Yeah. I love that. So anyways, but I agree I do...Man, you made me miss Cambodia, I there, there is so much joy and and the people there, um and they don't have as much as we do.

Brad Crowell  

I mean, that is the other the other moment that happens to me every single time is when we're driving back from Bontay Srey Temple and we stopped on the side of the road with the vendors who make the coconut sugar, palm palm sugar (Lesley: palm sugar.) And, you know, similar similar thing where, you know, it's a whole village living along the side of a road that's 100% dependent on, you know, tourism, basically, or maybe they grow some rice in the back, but like, you know, they have they have one well, and one generator that supports an entire, you know, village of people who live on on these tiny huts. And, and yet when you meet them, they're full of smiles and happy and it's just, it's incredible, you know.

Lesley Logan  

And then, so excited to show you what they have. They're so excited to give you the tour. I remember like, one little girl showed us like there's this hole on the ground with a stick. And you remember this stick and it had a handle? And our tour guide was like "Do you know what that is?" And we're looking at it and we realize how the little kids walk, learned a walk because they don't have tables. So to like put their hands on so they have the stick in the ground. And it's got a little handle for them to hold on to and they can walk in circles.

Brad Crowell  

Well, if they do have tables, but I don't know how we do it here. But what they did, it's it allows the kid to walk in a circle around the stick, right? So the stick is the center is pointing the ground and the kid can hold a handle that's sticking out and they just walk in a circle and that's how they learned how to walk.

Lesley Logan  

Well. Well we saw our neighbor's baby she had her hands on the table and she walked all the way around the table.

Brad Crowell  

Oh, like the one with the wheels and the rolling (Lesley: yeah) right (Lesley: yeah) right

Lesley Logan  

But we didn't have but we they're outside because they they work outside for a living. (Brad: Yeah) They don't hang out in their house and watch Netflix.

Brad Crowell  

They don't have baby toys the way we think of baby toys.

Lesley Logan  

Anyways, so off on a tangent of Cambodia, anyway. (Brad laughs) But, what I love that she shared her rock bottom story, because I think it's so important for us to hear those things, those kinds of stories consistently. So you know that, wow, people hit this place, and then they pivot. And it's a, it's a great it from that spot is where the growth came in, or her force came from. So anyways, (Brad: yeah) What did you love that she said?

Brad Crowell  

So one thing she she threw out there, which I've, that's a it's kind of a mantra that I've said for years and years. Similar to what she said, she said, "Consistency with action is one of the most life changing things ever". And I couldn't agree more consistent and persistent that's my mantra, "consistent and persistent". Because when you are consistent over and over again, you will move the ball forward. And I just thought that was was she kind of snuck it in there. But I and didn't really dig into too much during your interview. But I think that it is something that we can like, put over the doorframe, you know, into your office and just remember that, you know, people don't find you overnight, people things don't change overnight, progress doesn't happen overnight. It's you know that that I think that the overnight success that took 10 years, right, that's the running joke for people who've made quote unquote, made it. It's like this, like, "One hit wonder kind of a thing". And they're like, "No, I've been doing this for 20 years, you just finally discovered me."

Lesley Logan  

I do think this like when when the media goes is overnight success, they are discounting the blood, sweat and tears. (Brad: Yeah) it took for someone to get there and I hope we stopped saying that. I'm going to stop saying that, that someone called me out on if I do because it is, you know, even like, right now, somebody mentioned like, "Oh, all these things are happening all at the same time." It's like, "Yeah, because for seven years, I have been putting in the relationship value of an adding value of and staying connected. I've been supporting and supporting, supporting." And so yes, right now, we have an abundant amount of opportunities with OPC that we never have had before. And it is not because all of a sudden, overnight someone just saw a post. I was like, "Oh, this is the girl that we need to connect with." No, it's been a long time.

Brad Crowell  

Yeah. So anyway, consistent and persistent. Consistency with action is one of the most life changing things ever. So...

Lesley Logan  

I think they act I just want to, like underline the "with action," because you are probably more consistent than you think, you're consistently scrolling on Instagram, or you're consistently (Brad: that's true!) watching on TV...

Brad Crowell  

Talking about habits again.

Lesley Logan  

And so I know, y'all, we have a habits for a long time, I'm obsessed with this ish. Okay, but, but consistency with action. So it is and that's hard. It's hard to take action consistently because action is scary. Action is hard, you can be rejected. And but it also gets easier when you do that. So I actually think that the if you're listening to this, you are very consistent person because humans are just consistent. But ask yourself if it's with action. Alright.

Brad Crowell  

Okay, cool. Let's finally let's talk about the the Be It action items that you dug into with Christina. What bold, executable intrinsic or targeted action items could we take away from your convo? This was really amazing because after this entire episode of all these great points that she was making, and and, you know, there's nuggets of wisdom in there then you got to the Be It, you know, action items, and it was like a whole second episode could (Lesley: I know) have right there. And I was like, Whoa!"

Lesley Logan  

I know.

Brad Crowell  

Okay, so we...

Lesley Logan  

This is why she is who she is because like she's like, "Okay, this is like I live in this moment".

Brad Crowell  

Yeah, I'm just gonna rattle down kind of like she said, "People say they have, you know, their priorities". But if you if if they were real with themselves, their actions are out of alignment. Right? So what her example was, was, my husband is priority number one, my kids are priority number two, like my job's priority number three, and she's like, but if you actually looked at it, you spend 15 minutes a day with your husband, maybe you hang out with your kids for two hours on Saturday, you know, and then your job is really where all of your time goes, you know, and your mental thinking and everything like that. Right? So she's like, we tell ourselves one thing, but our actions, you know, belie that and then she's she went on to another step and she said, "We are the some of the people we hang out with". Right? So who do we surround us ourselves with as she said, chances are, you know, if you say that, you know, like, eating well is important to you, it's a priority for you. But the people you surround yourself with are, you know, going to be not eating well, you're you're going to be next in line is generally what's going to happen. (Lesley: Yep) Because we are influenced by the people we surround ourselves with. And then she said, what you obsess with is, is....

Lesley Logan  

What you obsess with you become most.

Brad Crowell  

Yeah, what you obsess about is what you become, right? So, you know, imagine a child who obsessed about being, you know, a dancer on stage at the age of five, if they obsessed with that and continue to continue to continue, chances are, they're going to turn into that, they're going to become that right? Well, if we obsess about television, what what are we gonna, what are we gonna do, (Lesley: we're become a television) we're gonna become a sofa (Lesley laughs) you know, and then lastly, she's...she said, you know, all this was like, like consecutively in, in the interview, she said, "Put a boundary around your life and protect, you know, who you hang out with, where you spend your time, what you're doing. Give yourself the space to have the actions that will allow you to live up to those priorities that we're telling ourselves." And I was just like, I mean, all this came out in like, one long, massive paragraph, you know, that she was monologue, basically. And I was like, "Wow, wow, wow, wow!" (Lesley: Oh) It was awesome.

Lesley Logan  

Well, I love all these. And here's what like I know people listen is like, "Okay, yes, yes, yes". And then even though this is the Be It that I have to say, like, "I can see you going, yes, yes, yes, yes" and then going, "how?" And I just want to say, um, that's a lot to talk about on my free webinar (Brad: the "how"). It's a shameless plug. So get on that 100withme.com waitlist, because it is your your habits and routines, the things you obsess about all of this stuff, shows people shows yourself, like what is a priority in your life. And if you are like looking around at all the people you surround yourself with, and the foods you eat, and the things that you do that you wish you weren't doing, you can't break a habit, actually, but you can unravel. And so that is all part of it. And I, I couldn't agree more with all of these things. Like I am really particular about the people I spend time with, the places I go, if I if the access that I have, I don't enjoy always in a bad mood, then I will find I'll just do it on my own. Like, I'm really protective of my boundaries, maybe to the point that people don't like it, but it's the only way I can get stuff done. (Brad: Yeah) That I that I that I'm here for. So...

Brad Crowell  

It's definitely one thing that I admired about you when we first met was your willingness to say, "No."

Lesley Logan  

Oh, yeah, you called one night really late and I said, "I'm in bed, call me another day."

Brad Crowell  

It really late was probably like 9pm. (Brad laughs) Yeah.

Lesley Logan  

Okay, well, we'll look at that call log. Okay, so my biggest takeaway is, this will come to no surprise. Living your purpose is your responsibility.

Brad Crowell  

That's that's pretty I mean that it's definitely lights a fire under you, you know, when you hear this, and, you know, I've heard this before where, you know, like, I know, Chris, Harder talks about this, where, you know, making money is is actually a responsibility. (Lesley: Yeah) You know, living your purpose is Christina saying living your purpose is your responsibility. It's a very interesting concept to conceptualize, to think about, you know. We are here on this planet for a reason. (Lesley: Yeah) And, you know, we need to figure out what that reason is, and then we need to go do it.

Lesley Logan  

Well, I mean, there's, I mean, there's like all the studies on how like, each person is so unique we're all snowflakes. So if none of us are duplicates, then obviously, there's a reason you're here. There's this one podcast host who likes to talk about, like, the chances of you being the sperm that was like entered the egg is like one and x amount of millions. And so like, you can't be a mistake, like you are here for a reason. And so there's a purpose and you that is here on this planet. And it is so easy for us to say, well, this person is in my way, or if only this happened, then I could do it or, well, I need this and that's why I can't do it so easy for us to put the reason that we're not living in purpose on something or someone else. But when you take responsibility for living your purpose, and you can actually make your purpose a priority and have your actions be in alignment, you can actually make sure you're surrounding your you would actually surround yourself with the people who help support your purpose. You would obsess about your purpose and you put a boundary around on that purpose, just a recap all those Be It action items. (Brad: Yeah) And Daniel Pink, who, gosh, someday I hope I get to meet this man. He said, "If what you do solve someone's problem, you have a moral moral obligation to sell it to them, a moral obligation to sell to them." (Brad: Exactly!) And so I know when you're listening to this, not all of you are business people, entrepreneurs, but you are you have a purpose on this planet.

Brad Crowell  

Yeah, it's not even about selling or whatever. I mean, it could be teaching, right? Like, if you're, if you're a teacher, and that's, that's what you do. Showing up and being the best possible teacher you can be. That's your responsibility, because you're you are impacting lives, you know, and whatever, it doesn't matter what it is, you know, like, whether you are, you know, running a company or working for a company. Regardless, you know, you're it's a responsibility to be, you know, living your purpose.

Lesley Logan  

Yep. Yep. It's, it's what's going to make the world a better place. Wow! All right, everyone. I'm Lesley Logan.

Brad Crowell  

And I'm Brad Crowell.

Lesley Logan  

Thank you so much for joining us today. We are so grateful you're here. How are you going to use these tips in your life, I'm telling you, we want to know, you cannot, you cannot DM too many takeaways, and you cannot share this too much. It is so fun. When I see those posts that you're sharing in your stories, you're sharing in your feed and you're tagging us and you're sharing it because it literally lights a fire that makes me want to do this even more, makes me want to do more episodes each week. So send us a DM to the @be_it_pod on IG and we'll catch you on the next episode.

Brad Crowell  

Bye everyone!

Lesley Logan  

That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review. And, follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcasts. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the @be_it_pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others BE IT TILL YOU SEE IT. Have an awesome day!

Lesley Logan  

'Be It Till You See It' as a production of 'As The Crows Fly Media'.

Brad Crowell  

It's written, produced, filmed and recorded by your host, Lesley Logan and me, Brad Crowell.

Lesley Logan  

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Brad Crowell  

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Lesley Logan  

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Brad Crowell  

And the Meridith Crowell for keeping us all on point and on time

Today Lesley welcomes Christina Lecuyer, former pro golfer, to the pod. Christina now runs her own coaching business and they dug in deep on how decisions, faith, and action will change your life. Enjoy!

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In this episode you will learn about:

• Why you need to DECIDE show up for yourself

• Stepping into your purpose

• Living a confident and passionate life

• Decisions, faith, and action

• How can people have way less than you but be happier than you?

• The power of self development

• How the company you keep will change you

• How can people have way less than you but be happier than you?

• Consistency will change your life

Episode References/Links:

• Christina's podcast: The Decide It's Your Turn Podcast

• Christina's website

• Follow Christina on IG

Guest Bio:

Christina Lecuyer is a former professional golfer turned Confidence and Success Coach, Motivational Speaker, and Host of “Decide It’s Your Turn: The Podcast”. Through one-on-one coaching, mastermind programs, immersive events such as “Decide It’s Your Turn: Live” and “Decide It’s Your Turn: The Retreat”; Christina helps you shatter limiting beliefs, become more confident, and holds you accountable to creating and executing your most purposeful and profitable life!

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• Be It Till You See It Podcast
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• Online Pilates Classes by Lesley Logan on YouTube
• Profitable Pilates

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Brad and Lesley reflect on the last interview with Katie Miller-Kerner and how she helps people change their neural pathways using hypnosis, how transitions make you who you are today, and a step by step approach to invalidating negative beliefs.

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In this episode you will learn about:

• Why do Brad & Lesley have three dogs?

• Changing your neural pathways

• Can you teach an old dog new tricks?

• Transitions make you who you are today

• How to invalidate negative beliefs

Episode References/Links:

• Follow Katie Miller-Kerner on IG

If you enjoyed this episode, make sure and give us a five star rating and leave us a review on iTunes, Podcast Addict, Podchaser or Castbox.

Resources

• Watch the Be It Till You See It podcast on YouTube!
• Lesley Logan website
• Be It Till You See It Podcast
• Online Pilates Classes by Lesley Logan
• Online Pilates Classes by Lesley Logan on YouTube
• Profitable Pilates

Social Media

• Instagram
• Facebook
• LinkedIn

Episode Transcription:

Lesley Logan  

Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week my guests will bring Bold, Executable, Intrinsic and Targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.

Brad Crowell  

Welcome back.

Lesley Logan  

Welcome back to the Be It Till You See It interview recap where my co host in life, Brad and I are going to dig into the delightful convo I had with Katie Miller-Kerner in our last episode. If you haven't listened to that episode yet, then you know that I actually - you don't know that I screwed her name up, so that's really fun... Surprise! I said it wrong in the first one. But, if you want to go back and listen to that one hear how I say her name incorrectly, here she says it correctly and then come back to this one where we're gonna say it correctly. Katie Miller-Kerner is here. We're doing the recap with her... with her episode today. Do the listening in whichever order you find freeing. That's what we're here about. So here's what I'm excited about right now, babe... (Brad: Tell me!) This week. Y'all it is like, you know, it's the end of summer vibes we are going into that, like, you know, back to school. I don't even know kids go back to school at the oddest times, I went back to school in July, so welcome to year round. But I just love this season of change. And if you're my Aussies, I hear you. I know, it's springtime na na, whatever. Anyways, I just... wherever you live, there's a transition that's about to happen. We're about to go into that last third of the year and it is really, really fun. We are getting ready for our 100WITHME challenge. And...

Brad Crowell  

Yeah, we got that coming up.

Lesley Logan  

It's coming up. It's coming up really quick. And so what this challenge is all about, why I love it so much is, if you are struggling to make consistency a thing with anything, then I want you to join me because we actually focus on being consistent around our Pilates practice and if you're like, "Girl, I don't do Pilates." Whatever, come do it anyways, and use it as a way to learn how to be consistent. So that's how I'm excited about because end of summer means it's almost fall, which means it's almost time to hang out with a bunch of you for a month and work on consistency. I don't know, what are you excited about right now, babe?

Lesley Logan  

Well, I was gonna say if you're interested in more about that, we got a waitlist going on, just go to 100withme.com

Lesley Logan  

Oh, check us out. (Brad: Ooooh!) 100withme.com, it's called that because I believe you must give a 100% to yourself first so you can do more for others. And so we're gonna do a 100 with me, right? Like we're doing it together, or just give a 100% to ourselves together. (Brad laughs) Anyways, it's also why this podcast exists. It's like literally like, "How many different ways can I get you to fill your cup first?"

Brad Crowell  

Yeah, I'm in, I love it. (Lesley: All right, so...) Speaking of filling our cup first, (Lesley: Right? ...) The question this week was, "Why do we have three dogs? And did we think that was a good idea?" Which has nothing to do with filling our cup first, but... 

Lesley Logan  

We fill our cups in other ways. This is, okay. So I take full responsibility for us overwhelming ourselves with three dogs. I do think I championed that cause of getting a third dog. Um....

Brad Crowell  

That's interesting. I think you also championed the cause of the second dog.

Lesley Logan  

I totally championed the cause of the second dog. And I think that was a great idea, actually...

Brad Crowell  

And here's what's insane. We currently have four.

Lesley Logan  

I know! Y'all, there's four dogs in this house. (Brad laughs) And, and the fourth dog is twice the size of any one of our dogs. So (Brad: Yes), it's like having five. Um, but....

Brad Crowell  

He's a he's a temporary guest. It's their brother's dog and he's moving. So we've got him to make life easier for him for a little bit, but maybe only for another week, I think. But it's...

Lesley Logan  

Oh Babe! Babe, you're in denial. I think he's forgotten... My brother works graveyard. And (Brad: Ah) so he will be doing four 10's which means that we will have his dog four 10's of every week. But our dogs it's like...

Brad Crowell  

I mean they're besties there there couldn't be. It's such an awesome...

Lesley Logan  

I mean, they are in love with each (Brad: ...pack) other. They are a little pack. They're so fun. But so let's go back to the three dogs because we definitely would, would, here the, here's a side note four is easier. So...

Brad Crowell  

Four is actually easier. It's weird.

Lesley Logan  

There is either when you hear people have like multiple kids like how do they do that because at some point, they just start taking care of themselves. So, I totally understand that now...

Brad Crowell  

They entertain themselves.

Lesley Logan  

They really do so (Brad: Yeah) the reason, so I champion the second dog because I actually thought - which is Bayon - because Gaia was like, just such a sad face every time I walked in the house and she would not move from the bed, she would... I would come... I came, I came and went into our apartment all the time and she would just be in the same spot the bed for 10 hours. And I'm like, that is not healthy. She needs a buddy. (Brad laughs) She needs a buddy! (Brad: Yeah) So I made us get a dog. And she didn't care about it. And (Brad: Yeah) in fact, it didn't change her M.O. but...

Brad Crowell  

I mean we did get a puppy and she was six, so she was like, "Oh, my God, this little dog. Errr..."

Lesley Logan  

Yeah. So and then, when we moved to Vegas, I forgot that she was only a few years older than Bayon, because we decided that she was 12 and dying. And we're like, well, Bayon he need a buddy. So (Brad and Lesley laughs) so I was like, "Oh my god, it's gonna be so depressing when she dies, you should get a third dog." So that Bayon isn't lonely. And um...

Brad Crowell  

And then I looked up her birthday...

Lesley Logan  

After we adopted the third dog. And...

Brad Crowell  

And she's only 10 (Lesley: She's only 10.) So (Lesley: and then) she's gonna be here for a long time.

Lesley Logan  

And then, the vet said the other day, she's got a lot of life in her and I was like, "How much?" (Brad and Lesley laughs) She said, "A lot!" So in all with, like, look, we love them all. They're amazing. (Brad: Yeah.) And they're challenging in their own ways. But um, do I did I think it was a good idea in in like, my mind of what it is? And now that it's actually been a year since we've had August, August is our third. He's our baby and he knows it. You know that they have their own rhythm and they make me laugh. And they also make me frustrated. And so...

Brad Crowell  

It's a good learning experience.

Lesley Logan  

We, we don't need kids, we have them. They have four legs, and (Brad: we got 12 legs to deal with.) Yeah, so anyways, um, if you're thinking about getting a third dog, you know what? I am not here to tell you otherwise, like, you'd have to make the decision for yourself. We happen to live and work from home so it actually works really well for us.

Brad Crowell  

Yeah

Lesley Logan  

Yeah!

Brad Crowell  

Amazing!

Lesley Logan  

Okay.

Lesley Logan  

Well

Brad Crowell  

Okay

Lesley Logan  

What's next?

Brad Crowell  

Okay. Now let's talk about Katie Miller-Kerner.

Lesley Logan  

Wohoo! Katie Miller-Kerner.

Brad Crowell  

All right. Katie Miller-Kerner is a former competitive bodybuilder and bikini model turned self-love life coach and clinical hypnotist. (Lesley: I mean...) That's no joke like so she went back and like, got... did a whole bunch of certifications to like, literally, you know, change her career path. She works with people to level up their self talk, their vision for themselves, and she digs into the energy behind their entrepreneurial drive. She is an intentional manifester, and is a bubble of positive energy.

Lesley Logan  

You know, I love that we got two manifesters on a row. I feel like that is super awesome for those of you who are like, all in on the manifestation you're like, "Yeah, yeah". And then those are like, "What's this?" (Brad: Yeah) You know like, "I don't know". And then you got hit again. And you're like, "Okay, maybe a little bit". (Brad and Lesley laughs)

Lesley Logan  

Okay, so here's...

Brad Crowell  

I think that definitely was me.

Lesley Logan  

Yeah, Brad... So yeah, well, especially because so many of these interviews, we, I was Being It Till We See it in a big way. Like, I was like, I was interviewing like crazy before this podcast was ever even made. And then Brad put the interview episodes in an order and gave people a date. So that was him. Totally him (Brad: It's true) um....

Brad Crowell  

Did it to myself.

Lesley Logan  

Yeah. Okay, so here's what I loved about our interview. There's a lot, she's such a lovely human being. I'm so, it's one of those random, I would never have met her had I not been in this room that I was in. So going back to last week it's like, go be in the rooms, like go to the thing and things will come to you because I really was looking for more friendships and more people who understood what I was doing in my life. And I went to the room and I got those friends. And she's one of them. And she talked about changing your neural pathways. And that can sound really scientific and like really like, "Whoo, what does that mean?" Like, "How do I do that?" You don't need surgery for it. This is actually so at least you can do.

Brad Crowell  

I think this is probably the most logical thing that she said. (Lesley: Well...) To be quite honest

Lesley Logan  

Yeah, but like, you know, well...

Brad Crowell  

This is like science based. (Lesley: Yeah) I mean, I guess I don't know if manifestation is science based. I'm sure there's theory behind it. But this is like how your brain works.

Lesley Logan  

If there's science behind manifestation, manifestation, send it to us. We'd love to read it. But this is science based, and it is something you can do and it and it's, you know, so simple like the way she does it. So I really enjoyed it, because I feel like any one of us could do it or at least hire her to help us do it. So...

Brad Crowell  

Well, she talks about how, so this, this is where she was talking about hypnosis.

Lesley Logan  

Yeah. (Brad: Right) I have not... you, you have, we have a friend who is also hypnotist. (Brad: Yeah, and...) And I've never done it.

Brad Crowell  

I've also never done it. But what she was describing is basically that it is not this, like, you know, TV, you know, like, you know, magic based, like, make someone do weird things kind of a thing. That's not what, that's not what is happening with what she's doing. The, she's essentially putting you in a s... in a mental state through hypnosis, where it is easier for you to change neural pathways, which we all know about habits and, you know, just repetition and life... "Can't teach an old dog new tricks," all that kind of an idea, that mentality, it becomes a groove in your brain literal groove in your brain. This is my response, this is how I respond, this is what I do. When this happens, bam, this is what I do. Right? And that is a neural pathway. And so she talks about how, by using hypnosis, she can help adjust or change or derail those neural pathways to help you make positive changes in your life.

Lesley Logan  

Yeah, well, and we, you know, and we've had guest speakers on our, in our other programs before, and it is, your brain is like, it just likes to do things the easiest way. And so if you... every time someone says something to you about something you've like, created that groove, you get there faster and faster every time. It's why, (Brad: sure) when like, I can totally tell that I'm in some grooves... Like, when something doesn't go the way I want, like the groove of being upset and frustrated and feel like why is this happening to me can be really fast. (Brad: Yeah) It's like a speed, I'm like a speed train. And a stop that speed train and have a different pathway is like trying to create... we talked about this a couple weeks ago, like trying to walk and create a new path. And so she actually just helps you do it. And it sounds like it's faster with her route than like trying to manually groove your own path.

Brad Crowell  

Yeah, I mean, I've never done hypnosis. I don't know. But, but, that was, I thought that was really curious. So...

Lesley Logan  

Maybe we'll do it, maybe we'll have to just do it on a pod.

Brad Crowell  

I mean, that would be interesting.

Lesley Logan  

I don't even know how we... Okay, don't hold us to it, but I'll look into it. (Brad: Okay) All right. What did you like?

Brad Crowell  

Alright, so she was talking about kind of making that change that transition in her career from being on this trajectory that was, you know, easy for her in the sense of it was innate, right. She, she had natural abilities, when it came to bodybuilding and being consistent and doing the modeling thing, like she's, you know, like she said, sports always came easy to her, all that kind of stuff. And then she decided, I need to move on, I need a change from this. And she talks about that transition. And, and, and what she said was learning, learning from the journey was, was part of who she is today. Right? And I know, you two are going back and forth. And you tell the story about the kid who pulled the string and moved ahead, you know, in life, whatever. But he, she was talking about, you know, she kind of had to take a step out, so that she could start a... start again, and that momentum that you have when you're like, you know, heavy competitor. And then you're like putting the brakes on, starting over. Like you miss that you miss that endorphins, you miss that, that competition, that spirit, that drive. Right? And so I feel like that was probably challenging for her. And then, but, she said that the life transition itself, it was so key in developing who she is today, so to embrace that change to learn from the journey. Right? Enjoy the journey. So yeah, anyway, I thought that was a... I liked, I liked what she was talking about there, because I think that it's applicable to so many of us, especially with COVID happening, recently hijacking, derailing, you know, in some cases threatening the life that you know.

Lesley Logan  

Well, and, you know, there's, there is a study that talks about, like 70% of Americans so I don't know, for the country you're living in, like, you might, hopefully someone's done a study. But, 70% of Americans are going to change their career, like literally change it - not switch jobs - change their career, within two years, and that was from four months ago. So we're like, almost a year and a half and like, that means all these (Brad: everything's shifting) everything. And we shifted like, we did have a lot... And I think, (Brad: we totally did) you know, I think it's, um, I think it's really hard to do that. And I why the reason I wanted to have her as a guest house as well was like, she went from a bodybuilding competition person and coach of that to being a hypnotist of like, how do I help these people make their life's work happen? And I wanted to have her on because like, I know that you might be sitting there going, how do I go from being an accountant, to be like a retreat host, or how do (Brad: right) I go from being a stay at home mom to like running my own business? Like, I wanted you to see someone who like literally did something... like, that's not, that those two... you don't go "Okay first I do competitions, then I help you with competition, then I hypnotize people and then... ... that they can do things." Like, you don't....

Brad Crowell  

That's the next natural step! Not so much....

Lesley Logan  

It's not so much. And I think it's just really important that we know that life is not linear. (Brad: Yeah.) And like, I don't know, who told us all that. But like, we really have to like, we have to get off that gravy train. That's what I'm saying. I'm gluten free. So I'm already off of it. And...

Brad Crowell  

Oh that's a bummer. I love gravy.

Brad Crowell  

All right. So finally, let's talk about the Be It action items. (Lesley: Yeah) What bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted action items can we take away from your convo with Katie Miller-Kerner? And we're gonna do a little different today. Because I think this is more one kind of big conversation instead of a bunch of little takeaways. So I'm gonna let you jump in.

Lesley Logan  

Okay, so first, we're going to write down a short term and long term goal that you have. So (Brad: yeah), something you want now and something you want later.

Brad Crowell  

And then what she said, which I thought was was interesting, because this comes back to like, manifestation. And also, hypnosis is asking, like looking at the two things that you just wrote down. One short term, one long term goal, asking yourself, "Do I believe that I can have these things? Do I believe that I can have these things?" You know, and...

Lesley Logan  

We did this recently.

Brad Crowell  

Yeah, we did this recently. And we talked about how it's a little scary. To dream really big.

Lesley Logan  

We dreamed really big. And I was like, "Yes!" And my body like lit up everywhere. And like, I was like, "Alright, that's happening." And you know, let's go. And he were like, "Oh, that's actually really scary."

Brad Crowell  

Yeah, for me, there was fear associated with that. Which is crazy!

Lesley Logan  

So, do it... you... do I believe I can have this, and then does your body tense up anywhere?

Brad Crowell  

Right. So the next question she asked was looking at those two goals? Does your body tense up anywhere? And then she asked, she said, to write down the thoughts or beliefs that come up, surrounding that tension? (Lesley: Yeah.) And then presumably, that it's, presumably it's a negative association. And she said, "You need to invalidate that belief."

Lesley Logan  

That's so powerful, like because I'm, I think so often we're looking for other people to invalidate beliefs, like we're like, you know, seeking out, you know, compliments or like affirmations. Or, like, you know, oh, this happened and you you're like, almost sometimes like, one, maybe this is just me, maybe I'm just like, talking about myself. But like, you know, you're kind of worried about something and you're kind of seeking for someone to invalidate what you're worried about for you. But oftentimes, they just validate it, which is like never good thing. And I love this because she's asking you to invalidate the negative belief that you have around the thing that you want.

Brad Crowell  

Yeah. And I let's, let's actually get an example in here. So so you were talking about, you know, someone who's an accountant who wants to, you know, whatever, what do you say become a Pilates instructor?

Lesley Logan  

No, I said, you want to lead a retreat?

Brad Crowell  

Lead a retreat. Right. So...

Lesley Logan  

No, I know not everyone listen to this does want to help Pilates instructor. (Brad: Okay) Not trying to convert them.

Brad Crowell  

It just was pulling the example from before. So, lead a retreat, love it. So, you know, do I believe I can have this? I know, years back when we were, you know, brainstorming, the idea of leading retreat seemed like, ridiculously far fetched and to, like, have somebody you know, to ask someone to pay us thousands of dollars to join us on a trip somewhere, was like, it just felt outrageous, right? And when when I thought about it, then I remember thinking like, we're not famous, how are we ever going to ask people for that kind of a thing? You know? And does my body tense up anywhere? Yeah, kind of tensed up in my, in, like, my gut and my heart a little bit, right. You know, and like, my, I like, kind of around my eyes, like, where my where my, my mind is. And, and what are those thoughts or beliefs that just came up? I just said them, we're not famous, you know, and so they're like, how are we going to be able to ask people to pay us? You know, and, and... write those down. Right? And then, invalidate those beliefs. Do you actually have to be famous to lead people on a retreat? (Lesley: No) No, who told me that where did that story come from? I don't know. That's such a weird thing to say. It's just this weird, like, preconception that I pulled out of nowhere, you know. And then, asking people to pay us, you know, has been, it started off being this weird thing where it was like, you know, like, "Okay, you got to pay us like, like $1500 dollars." Right? And, and the reality is like, we were barely making the retreat happen by asking for only $1500 dollars, let alone turning it into something that was paying us as well. Right? And, and I think that, that, that one took a little longer for me. Because, what I realized was that people weren't there counting the $1500 dollars... pennies of it. And being like, you only gave me 1497 worth of value. No, the value for them was exponentially more than $1500. They were like, "This was a life altering, mind blowing experience. I can't wait to go home and tell all my friends and family!" You know... and then, all of the sudden, I was like, "Wow! I am I'm going about this all the wrong way." I'm like, stuck on this money situation, right? So again, invalidating that, that... people aren't in it for the $1500 dollars. They're in it to experience this retreat, this life changing experience, this event. (Lesley: Yeah) And so...

Lesley Logan  

So if you're an accountant wanting to lead a retreat, it's, you know, it's you got to just think about, like, you got to picture yourself on the retreat with the people. And you're, it's the last day, and you're hugging them, and you're doing these things and, and you just have to like, I bet only good stuff is going to come up. And then if anything negative comes up, that's if you want to invalidate because that (Brad: yeah, write it down) story that's like playing out in your head. (Brad: Yeah) You know, and just so you know, people came on our retreat, they are no longer $1500 dollars, we can't wait to start them back up again. (Brad: It's true.) They are going to be "Be It retreats" for sure. And they are going to have so much epic stuff. But I really love this. I think this is something people can do like daily, like if you like come up with it, (Brad: Yeah) like, "Oh, I want to do this." Okay, do you believe you can have this? (Brad: Yeah.) Where's your body tensing up? Write down the thoughts and beliefs that came up and then invalidate the negative ones. Boom! (Brad: Yeah) Like, that's so... what a great little skill set to have in your back pocket.

Brad Crowell  

I mean, that that is like very tangible. Like you can do that action item. So I thought that was amazing. And I'm really happy that she shared that, those tips with us.

Lesley Logan  

Yeah, I am. I really love this. I loved her interview. Thanks for doing this with me, babe. Alright everyone, I'm Lesley Logan. (Brad: And I'm Brad Crowell.) Thank you so much for joining us today. We are so grateful to have you here. How you're going to use these tips in your life? Are you going to do these questions? (Brad: You should) If you do, well, you're going to, just, I'm just... the... I'm already putting that out there for you. (Brad laughs) So you're gonna screenshot this episode, you're going to write down what your takeaways or are you gonna tag @be_it_pod, tag @KTMillerKerner, and make sure your friends hear about it because that is how we help more people, Be It Till You See It. And so until next time, you need to Be It Till You See It.

Brad Crowell  

Bye.

Lesley Logan  

That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review. And, follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcasts. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the @be_it_pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others BE IT TILL YOU SEE IT. Have an awesome day!

Lesley Logan  

'Be It Till You See It' is a production of 'As The Crows Fly Media'.

Brad Crowell  

It's written, produced, filmed and recorded by your host, Lesley Logan and me, Brad Crowell.

Lesley Logan  

Kevin and Bel at Disenyo handle all of our audio editing and some social media content.

Brad Crowell  

Our theme music is by Ali at APEX Production Music. And our branding by designer and artist, Gianfranco Cioffi.

Lesley Logan  

Special thanks to our designer Jaira Mandal for creating all of our visuals (which you can't see because this is a podcast) and our digital producer, Jay Pedroso for editing all the video each week so you can.

Brad Crowell  

And the Meridith Crowell for keeping us all on point and on time.

Former bodybuilder and bikini model Katie Miller Kerner joined LL for an exploration of hypnotism, manifestation, and how to identify and destroy limiting beliefs, and change neural pathways.

If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at [email protected] .

And as always, if you’re enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe.

In this episode you will learn about:

• Making transitions are scary AF

• Limiting beliefs

• Personal development 

• Intentional manifestation

• Being open to receive

• How life transitions are so key - Learning from the Journey

• Changing neural pathways

Episode References/Links:

• Follow Katie Miller-Kerner on IG

Guest Bio:

Katie is dedicated to helping women achieve mental freedom and taking aligned action toward the life and/or business of their dreams. Katie specializes in clinical hypnotherapy to help her clients release blocks on a subconscious level so they can level up their lives and become the version of themselves they always have been underneath it all.

If you enjoyed this episode, make sure and give us a five star rating and leave us a review on iTunes, Podcast Addict, Podchaser or Castbox.

Resources

• Watch the Be It Till You See It podcast on YouTube!
• Lesley Logan website
• Be It Till You See It Podcast
• Online Pilates Classes by Lesley Logan
• Online Pilates Classes by Lesley Logan on YouTube
• Profitable Pilates

Social Media

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• LinkedIn

Episode Transcription:

Lesley Logan  

Hey you, thank you so much for being here. Thank you for letting me have a moment of your time in your very busy life. I know that there's so much you could be doing, so much agree and listening to when you chose to listen to this. And I really am so grateful. I'm so grateful. And if you have any questions, you want to continue on a conversation, you want to share a takeaway, please check me out on be_it_pod on Instagram. So it's b e, and then there's a fancy little underscore i t a little fancy underscore pod, p o d. But if you decide to be it pod, it will come up. You know, tag me and your takeaway from a podcast. And also it's we can, it'll end up in the DMs and I can chat with you or you can just hit me up in the DMs and chat with me. Tell me what you're working on what, what's causing you to not be able to be it because that's going to help me figure out our next guest to help you Be It Till You See It. And this week's guest is Katie Kerner Miller. And she and I met a couple years ago, y'all she, I remember meeting her and we are both in a very similar place in our life, but different. She is like literally helped train women to do like physique championships. And she was one in like, just gorgeous, blonde, such soft spokenness, but she really believed that there was more that she wanted to do, because she really wanted to stop women basically not having self-love, she wanted them to have self–love. So she went on this journey to really figure out and deep dove into self development and and in doing that, she found a way that she could help more women truly love themselves. And she also is a hypnotist which is like freaking awesome. So we talked a lot about that and how it helped her make a move to Denver and so there's a manifestation in here. There's some mantra talking here. And then there's also just the power of what it can happen sooner than you think when you have a clarity around what it is that you want to be in this world. So dive in, check out Katie there's some information where you can find her in the show notes. She is an amazing human. You will love checking out her posts on Instagram. They are inspiring and thoughtful. And yeah, so here we go after this brief message.

Lesley Logan  

Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring Bold, Executable, Intrinsic and Targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.

Lesley Logan  

All right, everyone. We've got Katie here, Katie Miller-Kerner. I'm so excited to see, well you're all not seeing her unless you're watching on YouTube. I'm seeing her face. We met a couple years ago, almost a couple years ago now in a mastermind and I was so drawn to her. Because you, you were definitely in a transition like you were really successful doing what you're doing. But you really felt called to change that. And you and I had a very similar issue that we were so busy doing the thing that we were doing that we couldn't really do the other thing and so I'm excited to chat with you about what you're doing now. How you got there and and all the things that Katie Miller-Kerner tell everyone a little about yourself.

Katie Miller-Kerner  

Yeah, thank you, Lesley. I'm so excited to be here. I was getting ready today. And I was like thinking about that. Those pictures were taking on the rooftop, the master mind. And I was just like, I'm so excited to just like kind of see her face again and talk with her but... Hello, everybody, I'm obviously, I'm Katie. Lesley introduced me and I am a, I like to call myself a self-love coach. But it's basically what most people know it as is kind of like a life coach. I blend, a little bit of business, but it's more about the energies behind business. Because if you're constantly going through these patterns, and you don't know what's holding you back and your subconscious mind, it's going to keep repeating itself. And so I blend that with business strategy. If people you know, want that help, sometimes it just helped people who have anxiety. I'm also a clinical hypnotist, which I am obsessed with because it changed my whole life. And I'm sure we'll get a little bit more into that as well. Yeah, that's basically what I'm doing in a nutshell.

Lesley Logan  

I love this because I mean, we can talk about it because it's if people go through your Instagram, they're gonna see you are a fitness instructor, like totally fitness health person. And, and I and you've transitioned to this hypnosis and I couldn't suit you better, like, absolutely love the journey that you went on. I think so many people are see themselves in a role. And they're probably they could they could be very successful in this role. But they're feeling called to change. And it's that it's a little daunting, like, I mean, I'm sure you can look back at that time when you're transitioning and that daunting time to go from fitness instructor super successful to, "Okay, I'm a self-love coach. I use hypno... hypnotism." What was going through your mind when you were making, trying to make that transition? And, and what what made it easier for you to do that?

Katie Miller-Kerner  

Yeah, oh, my gosh, thank you for bringing this up. Because I think it's, it's you don't see this on social media, you know, and these are the conversations that people need to hear. Because it's making a transition is scary. Can I swear on here, by the way?

Lesley Logan  

You can, you can swear. Yeah.

Katie Miller-Kerner  

All right. It's scary as fuck to make a transition. And it's, like, you don't know, like, it's not predictable. And, you know, I, when I started working through my own limiting beliefs, and I discovered personal development, I'm like, there's so much more here. And basically, it became an addiction, this personal development. And that's why eventually I became a life coach. And I'm like, I want to help people make, like, make them feel how I felt, you know, just up-leveling. But I had a limiting belief that I couldn't be successful out of fitness. And that was like, rooted deeply rooted from my childhood, like, I got lucky, I had a beautiful childhood, my parents are amazing. But I got love and attention through athletics, I was a star athlete, my whole life, anything I did, I could pick it up super easy. And I was praised for that. And so that kind of led me into a career path down that. And so once I did the subconscious work, you know, the limiting beliefs, and really getting rid of this on a subconscious level through hypnosis and time techniques, I was able to release that and fully just make that pivot. So what was going through my head, I was scared as hell. But I was just putting one foot in front of the other one thing led to another, you know, I, I make a friendship, they recommend this book, this book leads me down a rabbit hole. And then I find a podcast through... you know, it's just one foot in front of the other.

Lesley Logan  

Yeah, I think, um, I think that curiosity is like one of the best things. And also, I can totally relate, you know, I still do teach Pilates. But I remember, I remember, like, even transitioning, it took me a long time to transition to just being fully online. And it didn't need to, because I was holding on to, "Well, there's so much other competition out there." You know, like with the stories we tell ourselves, and the pandemic, when the pandemic happened is 50% virtual, 50% in person. And when the pandemic hit I was like, "Well, this is what you wanted!" And it's so funny, because, like, in one in like, one hour, I transitioned everything and what didn't transition, I was like, well, that wasn't gonna transition anyways. And it's just really funny how we can like, build something up to be a little bit bigger than it is because in our head, it is, and it is so scary. But most of us listening to this are not brain surgeons. We're not. It's not... the decisions we make are not actually life and death. And I think by going through that self development rabbit hole, you know, you start to realize you hear these things, and you start to say them to yourself, and you're like, "Oh, yeah, no, I can do, I can do that." And, you know, I love that you brought up your childhood, I think, I think a lot of people probably, you know, if they look back at their childhood, now that they're a little older, and maybe not like in those teenage 20 year old years, like my parents did this, to me, it's like, on average, most people's parents are the best they could. And you know, now we're doing this on parenting thing. And I too, like, got so much, like, so much of what I got was like affirmation in when I was successful. And when I like got a new role, or I got promoted to first base like, and I was first chair and like, all these things, and in the band, which is kind of crazy that I ever did that. And so you know, if I'm not first, then is it like is anyone going to notice is anyone going to care? So I totally understand that. I want to chat, like... So, you recently moved. We both have moved, you've moved a little sooner than I did. What what what did that move represent? Because I feel like you, you did a lot to make that move really powerful for yourself.

Katie Miller-Kerner  

Yeah. And I was gonna say something about, oh, yeah... So before I, I touch on that, I just want to, I think it's so cool because we are both in that space of transition when we met each other. (Lesley: Yeah.) And so I've seen it raw with you. And like, now you're, it's just super cool. But, um, and I'm, I'm just so happy for you. But, um, with this move, and it so... before I moved, it's when I discovered intentional manifestation, like, we are all like, like, master manifesters. We've been manifesting everything, our life, but when you learn how to intentionally manifest, I was like, like, mind blown, like, I can have whatever I want. And so that represented my first intentional big manifestation. And it was crazy, like my husband and I always wanted to move to Denver or Colorado, and we didn't know how, cuz he's in corporate. And so, and I was half, a half in-person, half online as well. And so I mean, that was obviously a little bit easier. But he was like, I'm just gonna, he was starting his job. And he's like, I'm just gonna get so good, where they allow me to work remote. But he wasn't quite there in his career yet. And we did so many different things. Like, I changed all my passwords to like Colorado and like the age I wanted to, like, be here by I, I like would say, every morning in my journal, I'm so grateful for waking up to the mountains every morning. And like my husband, and I would talk like it was a certain thing, not like... we'd be like, "Oh, when we moved to Colorado, like, let's get a new couch," like, we didn't know. And then he comes home one day, and he was like, "This is the craziest thing..." He was like, "This Denver company wants to buy a portion of my company." And, and he was new. So like, if that was the crazy part, but he was new. So like, they were going to send someone out there, but it wasn't going to be him. But he kept pushing and pushing and pushing, and ended up being him. So we moved here. And it really was like a joint effort between my husband and I, it was cool.

Lesley Logan  

Okay, this is amazing. I love this so much because it's so true. Like I do think I think people don't think their manifesters, but they don't realize it's because sometimes they're manifesting the things they don't want, because that's where they're putting their energy and focus, like, "I don't want this to happen," or, "I don't want to end up alone," right? Don't I don't want to do this. Like, like, that's where they're manifesting, but they're not manifesting what they actually want to happen. And I love, I love that you went to the effort of changing your passwords, like that is like commitment, but also just think about every time you have to put a password in like, that means like, you're always... it's like you're always thinking about it, right? Instead of just having like a post it by your desk or something that you get, like ignore, it's like, no, I gotta type my password in. So it's got to be this right? I think that's so cool. Also, you know, for people who are in relationship who think like, oh, can't do that, because like, my partners in corporate or he's got this really good job. It's like, well, if both of you want something together, then like you nev... like you can't, you have to let the universe surprise you a little bit with your... but you have to let them know what you want. You know, and so I'm not to get super woo. But like, Brad and I both wanted to move to Las Vegas, we wanted to have space, we wanted to this, we sat down and we like literally dreamt up what each room in our house would would represent what we would do in it. And we put down we were like we want to move this summer, that was the goal. And I said I want to move by June 1st, I was like I cannot, I cannot live here anymore. And like, you can't just - anyone knows who bought a house - you actually can't buy a house in nine days. There's like steps to go through. But um, but in our in our unique, unique situation. And we saw the house and nine days later, we're moving in, and this is our house. And, um, and so I really, I really do believe like anything is possible by dates, if you like are fully all in and you're not letting anything hold you back. And I remember, we drove out here on Memorial Day in May. And we looked at houses and we cried in the Whole Foods because we're like, this is supposed to be the dream. And none of these houses represent like, like we had, like we have to have the music slash podcast room. There has to be a room for the Pilates studio. There's a guest room and there's office and then there's our room. And we've got to look at these houses and yeah, they had all the rooms, but like, none of them would fit what we needed, right? And, and... but we refused to believe that, that like was it. We drove to the part of Vegas that actually made us want to move here. And we were sitting there and this girl looks at us and she's like we're talking about how we're looking at a house and she's like, "Ah, okay, I'm too young to buy this house. But this is my dream house. If you buy it, you have to let me be your assistant. So that I can come visit this house," right? This is a random girl, probably on drugs, but like sent from the universe for sure. And she, she comes. And she shows us this house and it looks like Palm Springs, it looks like exactly the kind of houses we wanted. But we didn't want to live in California anymore. And so we actually, we didn't buy her house. But we did look in the neighborhood that her house was in. And that's how we found this house. And three days later, we were like, like getting a virtual tour of this house. And then we moved in.

Katie Miller-Kerner  

Yeah, oh my gosh, that's amazing. That just reminds me of like, being open to receive, like, you could have just said like, screw it, like, you know, and you're like being open to like, receive, like, meeting that girl. Her telling you about this neighborhood. So that's super cool.

Lesley Logan  

I think that's, I think that's a really an interesting thing that you bring up. And I think a lot of people have trouble receiving. I don't know, maybe you're in the self-love business, like do you think, um, where do you think that comes from? Or do you think that's a common thing that people feel like they have to do it themselves, so they can't receive help from others?

Katie Miller-Kerner  

I think like, people just get so caught up like, like being open to receive as part of just like relaxing into it and like looking for different opportunities. And they just get so caught up in their goal, that they're not being... I don't know if this is really answering... Like being open to receive money is like a good, is a good example. Like, maybe you're expecting money to come in this way. But maybe it comes in with five of your current current clients resigning. You know what I mean? But you were looking for five new clients, but actually, you know, you receive the money that way instead, and that's just being open receiving, like, "Hey, do you want to continue coaching?" You know, kind of thing. So, and you can apply that to any point of your life like, I just see that so like, visible with you. It's like you guys could have like said quits, like, while you were crying and Whole Foods or wherever you said you were.

Lesley Logan  

Yeah, no, I mean, we went to Whole Foods to get some food. And, and because we're like, "Okay, we know Whole Foods. This would be our neighborhood Whole Foods." And we were just like, "This is not even like our neighborhood Whole Foods," and, "What is this and what's happening here?" And, um... but, it's true. Like, we we didn't call it quits, and we kept going. And, and I think that's, um, that's true for a lot of people is that like, sometimes they hit the obstacle, and they take it as the sign that this isn't the thing. Like, you know, your your husband could have been like, "Oh, I'm still new." And they said, "No, I can't have it." He could have just stopped but instead he like, kept going and kept looking for a way. I think that's, that's, you know, I think we sometimes we just quit too soon or we close our mind off to other ideas because we get so set on the one way like you said. When it came... like, now that you're fully, you know, self-love coaching and him it's like doing your hypnotism. What was like, what was... Can you describe it a little bit like what it was like to... did you quit fitness, altogether? Did you transition slowly? What did you do? And are you glad you did it that way? Or like looking back would you have changed anything?

Katie Miller-Kerner  

Yeah, so I did a transition and for my personal journey, it was everything. Because I needed to become the person that could be like a really good self-love coach. So I was like bodybuilding coaching because I'm a retired professional, like, bikini competitor. So I was like, that's how I started my business. And that's where like the booming like success came from originally. And then I was like, "This is so dumb," like, "I'm so over bodybuilding." Like, "Let's do something, like, lifestyle." And so that was called the Fit And Free Lifestyle Method. It blended personal development with like, more lifestyle fitness. And that was like, that was my income, like my business for like, two years and like, literally like, and then I started, people started reaching out and asking me, like, I had always felt like, I was jealous of my friends who were doing self-love coaching or like life coaching. And I was like, why am I so jealous? I'm like, it's because I knew I could do it. And so people started reaching out and asking for just mindset coaching. And I was like, it was just like, kind of overwhelming response. And I was like, Oh my gosh, I guess this is my sign. And it was weird. It was kind of like I know Like, this is gonna sound super like woowoo. But like, I know, I was some sort of life coach or speaker in a past life because it was just like a knowing. And I started offering it. It was called mindset coaching before I officially got like my five certifications. And it's like just crazy the amount of stuff I knew, before I officially got certified, I look back, I'm like, how did I know all of this? But yeah, that was kind of the transition. And I needed to learn all the lessons to have those lessons to give to my clients, kind of thing.

Lesley Logan  

I love that. I think oftentimes, we want we want so badly to get there faster, you know, and like, I'm all I'm all about Being It Till You See It, for sure. But I think sometimes we're like trying to get there so fast, that we miss out on the life that actually is going to lead you to being the version of yourself that's supposed to be there. You know, so I think thank you for highlighting that, because, it's, it's really true. I remember, when I was in, I think it was like the sixth grade. And I like I so badly wanted to get out of like, I just was in as a child, I was like, I am an adult and I need out of this. This is not this is not where I'm supposed to be. I grew up in a really small town, I'm like, I don't fit here. I don't belong here. Like this is something about this is really wrong. Obviously, all of that was to help me realize like, what who I am now which is like making sure people feel like they belong. And and I read the story and it was about a little boy who got this like lucky string. And if you pulled on the string, it would like skip ahead. So he like pulled on and he skipped a couple grades and then he pulled on any skip a couple more years and he pulled up. And all of a sudden he like anytime we got he was like oh, I really want to be there. I want to be that and he kept pulling out he got to where he wanted to be. He got ahead like so many years. And but he didn't experience any of the life that led them there and like so I think it's I think it's really cool of you to highlight that, like the transition was so key. Because it made you learn the lessons you needed to be the best version of what you're doing right now. Okay, I'm sure everyone is wanting to know about hypnotism because I know that any hypnotism I saw, I have a friend who does hypnotism so I do now know that it's not about like making people quack and bark like a dog and do funny things on a stage. But can you can you kind of go into like why someone would do hypnotism and like, what did that is because I'm sure curiosity is really peaking for people.

Katie Miller-Kerner  

Yeah, I love it. So hypnosis, like it like, it blew my mind. Like I had been trying to hit this income goal for so many years. In my business, I'd be like $50 away, literally, like it was a subconscious thing. $200 away, $500 away, whatever, super close. But I could just never hit it. So that was a limiting belief. And within, I think I was using my custom hypnosis for 15 days, and I hit the goal. So that's bizarre to me. I was like, I've been like, since I was running my business in like way, many years before. But basically, it's... So to change a neural pathway there's a few things that have to happen. So, repetition is one thing. So like when people use gratitude and affirmations, that's great. That's a great way to supplement your journey. But you need to repeat, repeat, repeat, repeat for a long time to actually change that neural pathway. With hypnosis, you can get there much faster. So our brainwaves right now are probably in beta, maybe gamma, which is like a heightened perception, probably beta. But in hypnosis, it takes the brainwaves down to theta. So that is right when you wake up. And right before you fall asleep, your brainwaves are in there. So your brain is more suggestible. That's why all these like personal development gurus, they want to tell you to, first thing in the morning, meditate, because your brain is more suggestible. It just kind of strips the logical mind a little bit, we can implant some suggestions, and you will act on them because the subconscious mind as you probably know, is approximately 95% of our actions. And so that's the value in hypnosis. Like, why wouldn't you want to implant suggestions, like, direct? It's, it's a, it's a direct conversation with your subconscious mind. You can't do that right now. I can't have a direct conversation with your subconscious mind right now unless I put you through a, you know the phase where I take you down into hypnosis. I talk a lot with myself anyway.

Lesley Logan  

I love it. Anyone listening, her hands are wild and crazy. But don't worry, the YouTubers will be able to see it because I, I'm a hand-talker and I have to be really careful because I have rings and like, I hit things. So this is, I love this so much because we, I've talked about this on the podcast before with people like it, our subconscious mind is also really maleable. But it does take so much repetition, because it doesn't also forget those other things that you have to do this and, and so there's a lot of studies on hypnosis, and then I have a friend who's a doctor, and there's like a bunch of things on ketamine, and like micro dosing, which is a whole other thing. And both I feels like hypnosis, like the ketamine can, can speed up that process of changing the pathways, the way we think things through so that it's not this like constant mantra, saying thing, that is hard to do when, like, you are in it, and you're in that limiting belief. So, how, so when you do something when you put someone in hypnosis, is it like an hour, like half hour like? And then how are they are they hypnotizing themselves afterwards? Like, what's the... what's the thing?

Katie Miller-Kerner  

Yeah, so first, I want to say you're in, you're complete... 100% awake, in hypnosis, even though your body will be like, the cool thing about it is when I take someone through hypnosis, and when I've been through hypnosis, you don't feel any different than a deep meditation. But when I pull you out of it, you're going to be like, "Wow, my body is more relaxed than it's ever been in an awake state." You're in full control, there's no, it's not entertainment, it's nothing like you see on stage. And so it depends. So I've developed like my own practice within my certification. So I use my certification plus my knowledge, um to kind of create a custom hypnosis experience. And one is yes, getting suggestions. But like, the other one is using something called time techniques to release and it's crazy. When you strip the logical mind, you can get to the root of the problem. So I can ask my client, when they're not in hypnosis, what are your limiting beliefs that are coming to the surface, they can tell me some. And then the next session, I'll take them through hypnosis and ask them what their limiting beliefs are. And they're completely different. And they know exactly where it came from. So it's just, it's super cool.

Lesley Logan  

That is something that's so cool, because I, like, my therapist is like a somatic leadership coach as well. And so a lot of my therapy is because it's my limiting beliefs, my own leadership skills. And then but we always do some stuff, we drop into something, it's like, more relaxing, because she'll go, she's like, "Okay, well, you know, where do you think this is coming from?" And I'm like, "I don't know. That's why I'm here. That's why I'm paying you a lot of money." Like, "You tell me where it's coming from..." Well, that's my response. I'm like, "Girl, that's not gonna work." But um, but now you knows since that first time I'm like, "Look, I don't know, I don't want to... I need to... I don't... Honestly, in not like I don't care. I just need to get to the root of the problem so I can start solving it, cuz holding me back." And she does a lot of work, not hypnotism specifically, but really trying to figure out like, where in the body do I feel it? Where is that? And like, Where's the time? And I feel like, that's really helpful. But I feel like hypnotism in a way could really... I mean, like you said, you did it - in two weeks you hit your money goal. So like, it's like, you're still going about figuring out what the problem is. You're not covering up your to solve it much faster, and getting over it much faster, which I think like, it's, I mean, who doesn't want to expand time? And that way?

Katie Miller-Kerner  

Yeah. So I never answered your question. But like, the induction phase that I do is probably about 15 minutes, and then whatever I decide to facilitate after, could range from 10 to like, maybe 40 minutes. So it's, it's just a custom thing. I'm gonna say, like, just like, forgot my train of thought, before...

Lesley Logan  

Like, while it comes back to you so so when people when people work with you, or when they work with it, and it is, and it does what you do? Is it like, they come regularly or they do it once and then they like do it on their own. Can you hypnotize yourself? Like I don't know.

Katie Miller-Kerner  

Yeah, so I'm actually creating a custom hypnosis track for my next goal. I've been like (Lesley: Cool) kind of figuring it out. It's different. So I have one client who's really trying to release these limiting beliefs and get to the root of them. And we're like, she's getting like her... The things that we're pulling this surface are very abstract. So I'm just kind of recording them and trying to like link things together. So that is like a series like, every other week, she comes like, and I kind of like take her through that. But most people they want an achievable outcome. So we'll do two: release and then suggest suggestions implanted.

Lesley Logan  

Yeah, I think this is really so... because, I believe that you know, like you've done it, like you changed your passwords, you journaled that you were waking up to the mountains. Like, that is believing, Being It Till You See It, like 100%. But I think a lot of people can go, "Yeah, Les, I like totally hear you. You keep saying it. But what about this?" Or, "I've got this." Or, "You, don't..." You know, "You don't... this is happening." And that's like all these limiting beliefs. And so I do think that like hypnotism could be this awesome way for people to get the limiting beliefs out of the way so that they can Be It Till They See It which is super, super cool. I love this so much. Okay. So Katie, before I ask you, um, how people can... like, some steps that you have for people to Be It Till They See It, where can people follow you? You know, find you, dm you all that stuff?

Katie Miller-Kerner  

Yeah, so I am the most active on Instagram of course, probably like everybody. My Instagram name is a K. The letter K, the letter T, Miller Kerner after so ktmillerkerner.

Lesley Logan  

Perfect. Everyone, please check her out, follow her. I love her posts, you learn so much in a post from her and you'll be definitely inspired. Alright, so I, I truly believe that. You know, people can be inspired. And they can be like, Okay, cool. She went from fitness and like thriving to now she's a self-love coach, and a hypnotist. And you did it in like a couple of years. So it's that's actually not a long time. But you know, the inspiration is enough. But like transformation is why I'm really about. So what's a tip that you would a tip or two that you'd suggest that people could do right now?

Katie Miller-Kerner  

Yeah, so something I'm really leaning into lately is writing down a goal that you have, this could be a short term goal, or a long term goal. So let's say I don't, I don't even know. So let's say your goal is to pivot and your career. Kind of like, you know, making it relevant to this podcast, I'd say your your goal is to pivot in your career. And then you'd write that down. And then ask yourself, or do I believe I can have this, your logical mind says, Yes, keep digging, does your body tense up anywhere, as you say, yes. And then take note of that, where did it tense up, and then write down the thoughts, the beliefs that came up. "But I can't be successful in a different industry." And then I want you to invalidate that belief. Katie, made a pivot, you could you could use me to invalidate that belief that you don't think you can be successful in a different industry. Katie made a pivot from this podcast, made a pivot, and she was, you know, just as successful as she was in fitness, and use other people. Or maybe you made a pivot in something that had nothing to do with your career. But maybe you were like a lacross player, and you switch to swimming, and you were just as good. So you use that to invalidate or invalidate your beliefs that are coming up, and then continue to work through them.

Lesley Logan  

Oh, I love this. Oh, I love this because so many people are like, "Okay, put your goals down where you can see them," you know, and even like the next thing could be like, ok, what are the next first, like, the first three steps towards this, but Ooh, like, asking yourself if you believe it, and then noticing where you hesitated or tensed up or took a pause or maybe what, like what part of you isn't... and then invalidate that negative, that negative thought, so that and you can just keep doing that. And, and you'll probably.. And that will be a one way to get to the root of it, because I'm sure there's some repetitive thoughts that come through. So cool. Katie, thank you so much. It's so good to catch up with you. That's what's so fun about the podcast and like I can just talk to friends that I haven't seen in a while, and also get to know them, get to know what they're doing so well. I get to be in Colorado really soon. So hopefully, I can see you when I'm there. And we can do teasers on a rooftop again, everyone please do as a humongous favor make sure that you let me know what your takeaways were screenshot this podcast share it tag us both tag @be_it_pod and @ktmillerkerner, right? And, and let us know share it with your friends who need to hear it because that is how other people can Be It Till They See It. Thank you everyone for being here and I'll see you soon.

Lesley Logan  

That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review. And, follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcasts. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the @be_it_pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others BE IT TILL YOU SEE IT. Have an awesome day!

Lesley Logan  

'Be It Till You See It' is a production of 'As The Crows Fly Media'.

Brad Crowell  

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Lesley Logan  

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Brad Crowell  

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Lesley Logan  

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Brad Crowell  

And the Meredith Crowell for keeping us all on point and on time.

Brad and Lesley recall the best and worst advice they've ever gotten before reviewing the last episode's interview with Clare Solly and her master manifestation and money mindset techniques.

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In this episode you will learn about:

• Get one client and make them love you

• Dating advice

• Having a mentor

• Money doesn't grow on trees

• A penny saved is a penny earned

• Your "money warehouse"

Episode References/Links:

• Clare Solly Website

• Clare Solly on IG

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Episode Transcription:

Lesley Logan  

Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week my guests will bring Bold, Executable Intrinsic and Targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.

Lesley Logan  

Hello, hey you welcome back to the Be It Till You See It interview recap where my co host in life Brad and I are going to dig into this inspiring conro... conver? Convo (Brad: cranva?) cranva. I am just going to make up words today. All righty.

Brad Crowell  

Good luck transcribing that one.

Lesley Logan  

Yeah, go Angelique...

Lesley Logan  

...I had with Clare Solly in our last episode, if you haven't yet listened to that one, feel free to pause this, go back and listen to that one and then join us or think of a second Blinkist and we're just going to recap that episode. And you're like, "Oh, yeah, I want to listen the whole thing," which you're gonna want to, so do whatever order you want. Let us know which way you like to do it. We love to hear how... all the takeaways. Alright, so Babe...

Brad Crowell  

Tell me!

Lesley Logan  

We're more than halfway through our fifth Agency MINI week, which y'all, is our seven day shortened version of our online coaching program for a fitness business people from our Profitable Pilates brand, and it's it's so much fun. It is a lot. We have over a hundred people in a Facebook group asking those questions all the time.

Brad Crowell  

It is a lot.

Lesley Logan  

I feel like I'm a gamer.

Brad Crowell  

It's a lot in a good way. But it is a lot.

Lesley Logan  

But don't I don't know. I mean, if a gamer's listen to this, he's probably rolling his eyes. But...or she is, but I, like you know, we get up we have our coffee, we like sit down in front of the group we're like tsh-tsh-tsh, like, type, type, type, type, type. You can't see me because you're listening to this. But my fingers are like piano-ing, typewriter piano, anyway...

Brad Crowell  

Yeah, piano-ing

Lesley Logan  

Piano-ing. And it ends in a couple of days and I am like, so sad and also so stoked because it's like a launch time for them. It's like, get ready to fly and some of them will keep flying with us and some will will fly on their own. But if you're if you've been wanting to be part of a coaching group, if you want to be you want to try it out, then what you have to do is actually get on our waitlist, because we... you can't join this one. 

Brad Crowell  

Yeah, this one's over.

Lesley Logan  

This one's done. But you can join the next one, you go to https://ProfitablePilates.com/mini. It's https://ProfitablePilates.com/mini and you'll get on the waitlist, and you'll hear about when the next one is first before anyone else. So anyways, we had an audience question. Yeah Babe?

Brad Crowell  

We totally did.

Lesley Logan  

And actually, this audience questions like a cheat, actually.

Brad Crowell  

This one is a little bit of a cheat, because when we first decided we're going to do this, we texted everybody that we know and we said, ask us some questions that we can answer on the pod. And really amazingly, a really, really close friend of yours decided to respond back. And her name is Clare Solly, and we're gonna she was interviewed on the last episode of this podcast, but she actually asked us this question months ago, and we decided to save responding this question to her interview recap episode today. 

Lesley Logan  

Yeah! So the question that Clare wants us to answer is: what is, what was your best and worst advice, like, that you've ever been, like, you've ever received? And...

Brad Crowell  

I'll tell you, this took some thinking.

Lesley Logan  

You know, I agree. Because I think especially with the worst advice, it's like almost like an embarrassing moment. I just think I block it out. Like it just doesn't even like exists because it can't live with me because it's a contradiction of how I live my life. And so it definitely...

Brad Crowell  

Also makes me angry at people when I realized that it was the worst the fight and I'm like errrr

Lesley Logan  

Right, and so anyways...

Brad Crowell  

I mean, they may hopefully they said their worst advice in a loving way. But it is fascinating to hear this type of advice and then later decide. I'm not taking this advice.

Lesley Logan  

Yeah. So um, the best advice I ever got was actually it's more of a business advice that I got as a brand new Pilates instructor and this guy said to me, "Focus on just getting one client, get your first client and make them fall in love with you and you will have more clients than you know what to do with." And he was so frickin' right I got my first client and I never ever let them miss a session. I made them tell me how they are feeling all the time. Like I mean I was like, we are besties, I am making you love Pilates. And they gave me, within weeks, not even months, like, literally a few weeks, they gave me so many new clients. They gave me so many new clients and I am forever grateful for that advice. And I use it all the time. Instead of thinking more is better. It's always like, get the first one and like, pour into what that is, whether it's your first, like, if you're making a cake, don't worry about the 17 cakes you wanna make, just make the first one up and like everything gets easier from that one. So that's the best advice, I got. Worst advice, pretty much any and all dating advice, all of it. Like, I definitely was... listened to too many girls in LA tell me that because he's buying me gifts. And he's opening the car door for me. He was planning all these dinners. Like, wow, this is like THE one. No, no, listen to like what you're gut is saying. Don't take dating advice from people. Haha. (Brad: Yeah.) I don't know. Like, I mean, I feel like because people ask me for dating advice all the time. And one of the things I got in LA was like, how did you get a guy from the valley to move to the west side? I said, "Well, I broke my leg." That's not advice. And yeah, people are like, "Okay, so I just have to break a leg." And it's like, "No, don't do that. Don't break a leg!" You know, you might find out that they don't want to move in with you. And then you have a broken leg and no partner. So, you know, maybe that is great advice. Maybe you want to get rid of them early. Anyways.

Brad Crowell  

I also think that's hilarious and ridiculous. I love that dating advice that you were giving to people. I find it ironic. Yeah. So okay. So I also got lots of advice over the years, and the one that I really honestly think is the best advice is to always have a mentor or a teacher. 

Lesley Logan  

Yeah, I love that.

Brad Crowell  

And I think that there have been, the darker periods of my life have been when I have not had a mentor or a teacher, or someone that I am allowing to know the inside scoop, and someone who I'm giving permission to weigh in, on my life. And, you know, it's important to have friends, of course, and, you know, your friends, hopefully, they have your best interest in mind. But a mentor a teacher, most certainly would, especially if you're putting them in that position to really help you. And, and I think the most growth I've had as a person, as a friend, as a husband, as a business man has been when I've been when I have put myself in a position to be coached, taught, mentored, you know, that kind of an idea.

Lesley Logan  

Yeah, because it's like a good challenge. And they're, they ask great questions, and you're like, "Oh, I didn't think of it like that. I didn't see it like that." Or, you know, it's just... I agree, I think that's great advice. I love that.

Brad Crowell  

The worst advice I've ever gotten is, "Money doesn't grow on trees." And clearly, it doesn't. The idea there is that money isn't everywhere, you can't just go pick it up. And so it, it's sewed into me this fear of not having enough money that has haunted me my entire life. And I'm pissed about this advice, I think that it is really, really bad for people to take this to heart, because the when you go into this fear of loss or fear of not enough, that this advice, which you know, sounds like it makes logical sense. But if you if you really own this, it will create this, this, like the sense of clutching, holding things holding on to what you, you know, have, "This is all I'm gonna get, I'm not gonna get more," kind of a mentality. And that is a, it's a difficult way to live.

Lesley Logan  

I can tell this is also why we don't talk about worst advice, because you could like watch, like he's redder, like, he's angry from it. But it's true, I mean, I remember getting that advice as a kid... don't even think it was advice, like, my parents would just say it like a statement. And I understand...

Brad Crowell  

A penny saved is a penny earned. It's the same concept.

Lesley Logan  

They don't want you throwing money away. But there's a difference between, like acknowledging that some money needs to be spent and some money should be saved for a rainy, rainy day. But like...

Brad Crowell  

I think that it's wisdom in it, for sure. But if that's the foundation of how you live and spend your money that is going to... that's not going to serve you (Lesley: No), in a growth mentality.

Lesley Logan  

No, because you're gonna have to invest money and things. And you also like, I was listening to this one interview with someone and the girl went to her buddy who was also like, sort of a mentor. And she's like, I just lost $20,000 on this business mistake. And he goes, "Welcome to the school." Like, "Welcome to going to this... welcome to life education." Like, "That's part of being a human being on this planet. You learn a lesson." And I was like, "Oh my God, that's so much money!" At the same time, (Brad: Yeah) it's like, yeah, but she could have learned as a $100,000 mistake it could have, like, never been... I mean, like, it's just part of it. It's like if you have a different relationship with it, then it's like, "It doesn't grow on trees. It's... there's, there's not going to be any more money out there," then like, you just have a different perspective on how you live your life. And so I agree, that's pretty bad advice. (Brad: Well) Anyways, thanks for that question. (Brad: Yeah.) So fun Clare. And also you all don't have to text me your questions. You can actually just DM me @be_it_pod on Instagram, whatever question you want us to answer, and we will put it in one of our recap episodes.

Brad Crowell  

Yes, do that.

Lesley Logan  

All right. Oh, here we go!

Brad Crowell  

Let's talk about Clare Solly (Lesley: Clare Solly). All right, everyone, so, if you listened to the last episode, you probably heard these two. Trying not to talk over each other because they just like.... go, go, go, go go. They've known each other for 20 years, I think something like that. A longtime friend of Lesley and a boss babe who has published two her of her own novels, and has more on the way, Clare is a master manifester who has made money of her own... Many of her own dreams come true. She has dug herself out of debt twice, runs two indie theatre companies in New York City and runs her own company, You Won't Be Solly, where you can learn her tricks and tips to being a master manifester. Or write your own book, or both. Clare is a highly energetic soul who makes you know you can conquer anything put in your path. And I'm, actually, she's just super lovely to hang out with as well. I love her.

Lesley Logan  

She's so lovely. And also for the record, lately we just voice memo each other back and forth. So there is actually no talking over each other, which is not a good practice for when you're doing a podcast together. But she is just an incredible human being and I'm gonna I'm gonna say something right now that we can talk about later on in this episode. But a couple days after we recorded the podcast, she told me that she literally got offered this incredible job. It was a promotion her at her work. And she was like, you have to tell the Be It listeners because she's like, I literally spoke it into existence she was like, I it was not supposed to happen at this time. It was a whole thing. And so if you are like, "Ah, this manifesting stuff is BS," wrong! Try it out. You know what, you prove it wrong. Have some fun, see what happens. The worst thing is it doesn't work out, but maybe you get what you want. So I'm really excited for her. It's really fun. 

Lesley Logan  

Okay, so one of the things I loved that she said in the interview is that there are slingshot friends. And this is something... should labeled this. I...

Brad Crowell  

Yeah, just kind of spit that out. And I was like, "I don't think I've ever heard of that before."

Lesley Logan  

Yeah, and I also feel like we need to make jewelry instead of it being like a broke... those hearts that you break in half, you know, it's like a slingshot. And like, you can just like, I don't know, I don't know, we're brainstorming here on the pod. Okay, but anyways, um, basically, like, I think in life, we can have those friends who maybe don't feel like they're super supportive. But she is one of those friends where like, I tell her what's happening. And she's like, "Oh, yeah, you should do that." And then she throws the ball as if I'm going to catch it. But I have to like, run a little further to get it. I get it. And then, you know, I'm doing life. And then she's got something I like, throw it back to her and we just slingshot each other back and forth. And I think it is so fun to have those friends in your life. And I would love to hear you know, if when you listen to that, what that slingshot friend if you thought of someone in your life, did you think of someone?

Brad Crowell  

Yeah, I think I think that the idea of it, the concept of it, makes me think of my, my longest friends who they aren't exactly slingshotting me but that's the idea that you can not talk for a year come back together and pick it right back up where you left off. That is like the most solid friend to have, especially when they are encouraging and help you move forward. And you know, like playing off each other too. I know that you two used to work together. And then you each had your own, you know, different ventures happening. And some of them were parallel. Others were completely different. But there was a sense where, you know, you could relate and that's where that slingshot idea would come from, you know, propelling each other forward. I thought it was great.

Lesley Logan  

It's so fun. It's so fun to have known someone for 20 years and yeah, we did we work together and then we had a business together and then we work together. It's great. I'm really excited to have her in my life even though like I don't even know the last time we got to see her... Like I feel like it was (Brad: when we were in New York.) I feel like I was like 2015-2016?

Brad Crowell  

No, no, no. I think it was after that. I hope so.

Lesley Logan  

I hope so. Gosh, okay, anyways, what did you love that she said?

Brad Crowell  

Okay, so I actually had a hard time relating to this but I really liked her talking about money is energy. As you all know, my, my woo-woo sense of life is a little less than Lesley.

Lesley Logan  

That's why this is a one-woo room.

Brad Crowell  

It's a one-woo room. (Lesley: Yeah.) But you know, listening to her talk about money being energy I actually connected with that, I thought, wow, this, there is logic in this, you know, I've always thought about... it kind of goes along with, actually, it goes hand in hand with the worst advice that I ever got about money doesn't grow on trees. And that sense, like, in fact, in fact, Clare said it, this idea of squeezing, to hold on to things in that last episode, and I kind of referenced it earlier, but the money being energy, you can't hold on to energy, you know, like, it will flow no matter what you do with it. And so, money is kind of the same way, it will come in and it will go out like these things are... they will happen. And what I liked about it was her approach to... her embrace of spending money, because it helps facilitate that energetic, you know, like roundabout, right? When she's spending money on a large purchase, she said, she gets excited about it. She's like, "I'm so happy that I get to write this check for a thousand dollars to pay for something because it's, you know, I'm pushing that out, that flow is going out. And what's going to happen is next edenic comes back in it's like the tide."

Lesley Logan  

Well, it's also like when you think of energy...

Brad Crowell  

It's like all the 55 tides from from our last episode... (Lesley: Last week? haha.)

Lesley Logan  

Okay, but here's the other thing about energy. Like there's negative energy, there's positive energy, right? And like, if you are in a negative mood, you actually affect the energy in a room more than you think. Right? Same with the way you treat money. So the reason she celebrates that she has to spend this big amount of money is that then she's putting positive energy around it. So then she gets positive energy back. So I heard this years ago around, if you have to spend money on your business or taxes, pay my taxes. It's like, heck, yeah, I pay my fucking taxes. Well what, look at me making money and I have to give this money and like you actually celebrate that you have bills and celebrate that you have these expenses, because it's positive energy around it.

Brad Crowell  

You wouldn't have a business, it, the fact that you've to pay taxes means you have something legit, like real, it's happening. (Lesley: Yeah.) So...

Lesley Logan  

Yeah, so like, so if you get this crazy bill and instead of going, like, "Oh, here's this other bill," because then all you end up doing is like, focus on all the other negative things went on. (Brad: Yes) You're like, "Alright, I get to pay this today and I wonder how that's gonna work out. I wonder what's gonna happen next. I can't wait to see." And so it's all it's, I understand that it's a little amorphous and it might feel like a two-woo...

Brad Crowell  

It doesn't feel this... So, so, I have experienced this in the past couple of months, specifically, because our team is beginning to grow. And there is like, a little bit of apprehension, as the end of the month rolls around and I gotta make sure I'm paying the team. But at the same time, I am so grateful to have this team that we need to pay, because they allow us to do all the things, right? So you know, like, okay, yeah, I definitely look at it and go, "Wow, okay, we're paying this out." But at the same time, it is absolutely for a good purpose and 100% that comes back to us in the, you know, their excitement to continue to stay on and keep doing what they're doing. I mean, that is a literal representation of this money is energy exchange.

Lesley Logan  

Yeah, I love our team. And not just because they're listening to this and transcribing it. (Brad laughs.) Because they are really amazing. Okay!

Brad Crowell  

All right. So let's actually shift gears here. Let's talk about the Be It action items. What bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted action items can we take away from your conversation with Clare Solly? I'm just gonna jump right in. She said something, you know, I've never been a meditator. I've never really understood it. And like I've been learning over the past couple of years. And she said something that I'm really connected with. She said meditating, I meditate and I think on expansion, right, the idea of expansion. And she said, I take that, you know, fearful amount of bills that I have to pay, sometimes it gets to you. And instead of embracing that fear, she sits and she thinks this, this thing that I'm currently envisioning as this massive bill, she imagines it being the smallest, tiniest little thing in the bottom corner of this warehouse of space that she has for all the money that there will be in her life, and she just flips the vision of it. So instead of it being this intimidating monster, it's this tiny little mouse in the corner. And I was like, man, that is awesome, to, to, I mean, what a, what a great way to fight that demon, you know, it's a really battle that, that fear that comes over because also again, it puts you in a different perspective of the money that is going to come in, you know, instead of this fear of like this monster that, you know, making it such a large beast, so I thought that was amazing.

Lesley Logan  

I love it because there's a lot of mantras like, money comes through me easily. Money flows to me easily and sometimes like you're it's cognitive dissonance. Like, if you've never felt like money comes too easily or like, you've not seen that, then you're like, feel like you're lying to yourself and our brains freakin' don't do that. (Brad: Yeah) So um, so I actually like the idea of visualizing some room and like that you can see and like the space, you're gonna put the money in all the things and, and you can also say, like, you know, "money flows to me easier today than it did yesterday." That's also a little bit more true. So I agree. I think for me, it's um, you know, just having that (Dog: whining in background) I, I'm, y'all, the pitties are in the pod room. And so sorry, if you hear them that there's they're fine. Nothing's happening to them. And probably not gonna be able to edit that out. But I just want you to know in case...

Brad Crowell  

She is staring at the door, and then looking back at me like, "Why are we in here?"

Lesley Logan  

Yeah, she's not, Gaia is not thrilled. So anyways, we're gonna keep this show on the road. But I think, um, you know, it, I think there's so much stuff around money. And I really love bringing her on. And we'll have to, if you if you want to talk more money stuff, she is like, she's a money mindset coach is freaking awesome about it and (Brad: yeah), homegirl does always attract the money she wants. So she is someone to be around. Hence, like, her getting the promotion she wanted, so there you go. My biggest takeaway is if you show up stuff will show up for you. Oh, this is awesome! This is amazing! You guys, this is such a, this is, like, you couldn't be more Be It with this action item right here because, (Brad: Yes) I have so often... I can think back of different moments where like, I didn't want to go to something because I didn't feel like I was ready. Like I didn't have the thing that I wanted to have when I showed up to that event. But I would go as if it had happened and as if I were like, like I was feeling good and as if all the stuff was happening. And then I would have the best freakin time because I would put myself in that space and that energy that I needed would show up in it for me. And the people that I didn't even know I wanted to meet with job. And you've just, I'm so surprised all the time. So another thing like I showed up at your performance, because I really wanted to have a partner in life that was super fun. I didn't know it would be you, but I went out there and I was like, "I'm gonna go try this out." And you know what? Eventually you showed up... eventually.

Brad Crowell  

I was taking, I was just taking the small steps (Lesley: Yeah) to get there, to show up, (Lesley: Yeah) so that stuff would show up for me.

Lesley Logan  

So one way that you can take this advice, if you show up stuff up for you, is proclaim that you are doing something to your friends and family. And then, because they're like, they don't even have to be your accountability partner, they'll just ask about it and that will keep you honest. And then as Brad just mentioned, small steps, like just doing any, any little part of the steps, they want to read a book, just open the first page, you know, like, do that and eventually you'll read the page.

Brad Crowell  

That's true. Yeah, I mean, we, I know we've been talking about Tiny Habits a bunch.

Lesley Logan  

We're gonna keep talking about I'm like, deep in this book, and my certification. And BJ Fogg is my new best friend he does, I'm gonna have to get him on this pod at some point, but he doesn't even know it. But I am on his I got those lunchtime meetings and I asked a question every time and you know how much I frickin' hate asking a question, but I am like, I am like, "No, I'm Being It Till I See It right here."

Brad Crowell  

Well, the showing up and stuff will show up for you is very much the mentality of any artist or band who has ever been. They start off playing shows in the garage, and then they move to a venue and then they, you know, keep going on the road and they just keep going, going, going, going.

Lesley Logan  

Oh my god, (Brad: you know) you just made me remember like when I, when I started my Pilates mat classes, like no one... I didn't know anyone...

Brad Crowell  

It's the same for fitness teachers 

Lesley Logan  

I did have any clients. (Brad: 100%) And I begged some friends to show up to the first class but then the second class, I didn't know if anyone was gonna come, but I showed up to teach the class and people walked in! And I was like, "Whoo, look at that!" And so you know, like, I would just you know, it doesn't have to be a business thing. It doesn't have to be a music thing. It does it just like put yourself in the places that you want the things that come with that and that is an actionable Be It step, for sure.

Brad Crowell  

100%.

Lesley Logan  

Well, y'all, I'm Lesley Logan.

Brad Crowell  

And I'm Brad Crowell.

Lesley Logan  

Thank you so much for joining us today. We are beyond grateful to have you here. How are you going to use these tips in your life? I like, desperately want to know. I'm just, I like, frickin' love finding out. So test, screenshot this podcast tag @be_it_pod. Tell us how you're using these different action steps and send us it in a DM or post it publicly and then tag us, we will, we, I just... it will be so much fun for us and also for our guests. That's also very true for them. They want to hear it too. So until next time, Be It Till You See It.

Lesley Logan  

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Lesley Logan  

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Brad Crowell  

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Brad Crowell  

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Lesley Logan  

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Brad Crowell  

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Lesley interviews Clare Solly, her longtime slingshot friend, who lives in New York, writes and publishes books, and is a master manifester. They dig deep into money mindset, the subconscious, how to create change in your life and much more.

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In this episode you will learn about:

* Taking the leap (moving to NY)

* Slingshot friend

* Money is energy

* Mantras and belief

* Squeezing life vs relaxing

* Our sub-conscience only hears tangible words

* Reframe it to the positive… “I have $10 in my wallet!”

* Meditating & thinking of expansion… “I have so much space for money.” Her “mental warehouse” and your current pile or debt only sits in the far corner

* Just start telling people you’re writing a book… they will keep you honest

* Do it in small steps

* Be realistic but don’t doubt yourself

* Don’t be afraid of money… it flows in and out

* If you show up, stuff will show up for you

Episode References/Links:

* “Big Magic: Creative Living Beyond Fear” by Elizabeth Gilbert

* James Altucher podcast

* You Won't Be Solly - Clare Solly Website

* Clare Solly on IG

Guest Bio:

A long term friend of Lesley, and a bossbabe who has published 2 of her own novels and has more on the way, Clare is a master manifester who has made many of her own dreams come true. She has dug herself out of debt TWICE, runs two indie theater companies in NYC, and runs her own company You Wont Be Solly where you can learn her tricks and tips to being a master manifester or write your own book or both! Clare is a highly energetic soul who makes you know you can conquor anything put in your path!

Resources

• Watch the Be It Till You See It podcast on YouTube!
• Lesley Logan website
• Be It Till You See It Podcast
• Online Pilates Classes by Lesley Logan
• Online Pilates Classes by Lesley Logan on YouTube
• Profitable Pilates

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• LinkedIn

Episode Transcription:

Lesley Logan  

Hello you. How are you doing today? Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast. I'm so glad you're back. And this is your first time listening.

Lesley Logan  

Welcome! Today's guest is actually one of my favorite human. She's known me since I was like 18/19 years old. We were joking on the podcast that like our friendship is like legally allowed to drink. And so if you watched on the YouTube channel, you saw us cheers our water. But the truth is, is that Clare Solly is our guest today and the reason I wanted to have her on is because y'all she is a master manifester. And she also has led a life journey that is something that I believe we're all on and she has done it and like when it's you know, that quote, like you can't connect the dots going forward, you can only going to connect them going backwards, I think it's the, the apple guy's thing. Anyways, um, she is someone... the two of us, like, we designed shoes together at one point in our lives, we both worked at the same retail shop. And you know, she'll hear her talk about how we like slingshot each other like, we are two friends who will go through like years, we talk every single week and then a year where we don't talk at all. And it's not anything personal. It is just us doing life and helping each other out and like talking about a book we should read or somebody should do. And what I want you to know about Clare is she is a money mindset coach, and she's also a book writing coach. But we talked a lot about money mindset in here. And it was really important to me because I really do think that most of you if you're listening this do believe you can Be It Till You See It and you are looking for different tips and strategies to make that happen. And just also remind yourself to do it everyday cuz it is like it's a muscle, right? Like this muscle of being until you see it even when like there's no evidence that it's actually working. Trust me, I know I've been there like, y'all, I was homeless, and my car was totaled. And the studio I rented Pilates from was closing. And there was not a lot of evidence every single day, or even for weeks that was showing me that like I was on the right path. And then I got this phone call that I was the best Pilates Instructor in Los Angeles by Los Angeles Magazine. So, whoo! It's pat on the back. But like, I know how hard it is because of that. Like, it's not the only time where you can be it till you see it and just be who am I like really? Is this even working? Is this BS? And so I wanted to bring her on to talk about money mindset because she has gotten herself in and out of that two times. She has some great tips to talk to you about. And so you are going to... to read her entire bio in the show notes because you're gonna be like, what, "Who is this woman?" But I'll tell you a quick little thing about her. She is a longtime friend of me. And she's a total boss babe, who has published two of her own novels and has more on the way, Clare is a master manifester, who has made many of her own dreams come true. She has dug herself out of debt twice runs to Indie theatre companies in New York City and she runs her own company, You Won't Be Solly, where you can learn her trick... tricks and tips to being a master manifester. Or even write your own book or both. You also get the money mindset coaching. So anyways, keep reading in the show notes about how amazing she is, and take a listen. And this is going to be something around rewind and listen to how she manifests money in her life and how you can too so that you can Be It Till You See It. So now check out this message and then we'll get to the show.

Lesley Logan  

Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring Bold, Executable, Intrinsic and Targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.

Lesley Logan  

Okay, everyone, welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast. Okay, I promise you that this is a podcast and it's not just a phone call between two friends. But today's guest has been one of my sisters from other mothers and besties since, I think it started, I think we met each other in 2002? Because on (Clare: That's not right.) 2002?

Clare Solly  

No, I had you before that 2000 or 2001 I think.

Lesley Logan  

Yeah, it was back. I was in college and I was looking for a job and I just remember walking into the store and it was like everything about it was just like so beautiful. And then there was Clare, and she was standing this counter and I swear because she's so tall. I thought she was standing on like, like a counter like it was like a porch. But the counter was around when I did get the job. And that was just the same floor as like, How tall is that girl? Anyways, Clare Solly is our guest today and Clare, will you tell everyone where you're from and who you are, all the things.

Clare Solly  

I've happily, my name is Clare Solly. I am calling in or calling in, zooming in, podcasting in from Queens, New York. For those of you that know New York City, I'm right by LaGuardia Airport. I've been in the New York area, mostly Manhattan, for the last 10 years. It'll be 11 in September, and I am a Jill-of-All-Trades, and I'm a coach, a wellness coach and money management and book coach, and, and many other things.

Lesley Logan  

Yeah, I mean, we've both had many lives together and are kind of known each other because we also were shoe designers together. And I forgot about that until one day someone brought something up and I was like, "Oh, yeah, I used to design shoes." And they're like, "You used to design shoes?" I'm like, "Yeah, and we actually sold them for a lot of money."

Clare Solly  

We did! We did, we sold them for a lot of shoes. You know, it's funny, um, I was thinking about this, like, last week, and I was like, "Oh, where's the piece of paper, I have to write this down." Because it just like came across my brain. And you are my slingshot friend, like you are my friend that like, projects me forward. And then like, we meet up, and then like, I shoot you forward in something like, we always send each other like sound bites and tidbits and like, "Hey, you should listen to this," or, "You should go read this book," or, you know, "It's okay, chin up, you'll get through this." And it's like, I don't think I would be where I am if you weren't in my life. Like we continually just help each other propel forward. And it's weird, because it's like, you know how runners like, you know this because you are a runner. Like when you're in a race like runners, you don't want to run alone, you want to run a track with other people to help you keep pace. And like, I don't see myself anywhere competing with you, but it, seriously, it feels like you're my slingshot friend. Like you were just like, "Keep going forward." And then I'm like, "Oh, okay, it's your turn, you go forward!" So, anyway...

Lesley Logan  

I love it. I've not heard that term of "slingshot friend," but it's absolutely so true. Because, you know, you are the one who put my application at the top to make sure... cuz I got a phone call before... I rode... I rode the bus at that time. So I got a phone call before I was even off the bus. And then, you know, we just we've been doing that for each other since since, like, 21 years, our friendship can drink. Cheers to that! Um, and so but here's the thing that I, one of the things that I wanted to bring you on for cuz I mean, besides that, you're one of my best friends and I wanted to just chat with you. And hear so people could hear like how we've helped each other out. It's that when you moved to New York, it was to me, one of the Be It Till You See It, it's like in like, I got to watch it happen. Because you know, you were out of college, we were living in Orange County, and you would go to New York and you would like pretend to be like, you would go to New York and walk around and you went there frequently before you move there. And I always felt like, and maybe I was making it up, but I always felt like you were like, basically pretending to live there when you would go there so that you would like have friendships and have connections so that you could move. Am I making that up?

Clare Solly  

Yeah, no, you're not. It's interesting that you say that too. Because just now as you were talking about it, like I always think about like those the like the people that like make it big. And there's always like that very low moment, right before they completely go massively, like large or whatever. And, and I don't know, like, it was weird, because there were all these little things that were like, massive at the time. Um, so yeah, so I, and they were all negative things like it was all directing me away from the life that I was in that I was living. I was living in Southern California. I had decided I um... I'd gotten my degree, I got a double emphasis degree in acting and design so I could like create, you know, design theater productions, do costumes and whatnot. And I wasn't using it. I went into the corporate world, I was working in a desk job. I liked it, but I wasn't, like I was more like, I was in my early/mid 20s... I was in my mid 20s. And I was like, hey, let's do the like picket fence and the husband and the house and the dogs and the kids and let's head down that path. And you know, I don't really need theater anymore. And then I started I was visiting New York. A friend of mine had moved here. She got breast cancer. So I started visiting a couple of times a year for like two years. She ended up, ended up passing away... I got shingles at 28, like a terrible case of shingles. I was, um, I was like, on, I was down from my job for about a month and then I went back to work. And things just sort of didn't work out and they ended up moving me into a different position and sort of like they were trying to get me out kind of situation. And finally, (Lesley: Yeah, the writing's on the wall when that's happening.) Yeah, they finally just kind of like let me go and gave me severance. And I was on unemployment for a while, and I was like, "What do I do?" Like, I'm not getting, you know, I'm not happy in life. Like, what? What am I doing? Like, I tried, I tried, you know, I guess I tried the saving money and having a car and trying to buy a house and like, I was dating like crazy. And like nothing, not like no relationships were sticking, like, I'm talking about biological clock ticking like it was going crazy at the end of my at the end of my 20s. And I was like, I was seeing friends move to New York and actually just be moving back because they either made it enough or they didn't make it or they were trying it. I was like, "Wait, why am I not doing this?" And so I, um, I sold or got rid of, you know, donated anything and everything I had, I was living with a friend at the time. I boxed up like a lot of my clothes and shipped them to New York, and traveled on a plane with two suitcases. And I remember so distinctly when I got off the plane in New York with my two overweight suitcase. My two extremely heavy suitcases, I set them down and it felt like the weight of the world had lifted and I was finally home and the suitcases like I went to pick them up again. And they felt like nothing. And I you know, I moved into my Harlem apartment and pursued theatre here for a couple of years. And I did a couple of Off Broadway shows and did a whole bunch of other like, regional shows and different indie theater productions and stuff here did some film work. So it you know, it didn't you know, I'm not famous. I'm not a superstar. But I did get to live that dream. So that was very exciting. And I like I... hope and a prayer. Like I saved up money for a year and just moved here hoping it would work out.

Lesley Logan  

See, I, what I was, what I was... what I loved about you sharing, like all the bad things that happened is, it was literally like the universe going how many doors do you have to close on this girl to get her to get on a plane? And we off... I think we can easily see these things that are in air quotes "Bad," like it's bad thing, and actually, no, it's just that you're just on someone else's path. You're not listening. And it's so true. Like, I think it's really easy. Even if you're like a rebel to somehow, still end up going through the white picket fence with the partner with the 2.5 kids and and think well, I could still have it all. And it's, you know, no - you're, you... even if you didn't make it, like on the the lights of a Broadway show as the star, doesn't mean you didn't make your dream happen and in a different capacity. And, it puts you on this other path that you're on. And you mentioned something like you saved up for a year, which I mean, it's so hard for me to save up. I was like we're moving to Vegas. We have nine days we're going to make it happen. I just I'm a little too impatient. But I think a lot of people that where they get stuck is so they're like, "Okay, LL, alright Clare, that sounds great," like, "Yyou moved, good for you, like you saved up for a year," but it's easy for people... the money is something that really gets, keeps them from doing something. Either because it's too expensive to try or they're too in debt to even get, to see the forest to the trees. And I know that you have some really awesome experience in money mindset, and I was hoping you would share a little bit of that with us.

Clare Solly  

I'd love to um, I, you know I've it's funny because I have dug myself out of debt twice. And I, again, moved across the country, had no job. Like I was working few part time jobs and I like magically found I was here for eight months before I found a job. So like things just sort of, I don't want to say they magically worked out because like, I remember working hard for things and there were days where like I was panicked and whatever. But money... The thing, the thing that people don't understand about money, is money is just energy, like, like a calorie is just energy. So we want to burn calories. We want eat enough calories. It's, it's just an exchange of energy. So, money, for all intents and purposes, like way back in the medieval times, you know, you had a goat, and you wanted some corn, so you could, you know, feed your family, and so and you know, some milk and whatever. So you would trade your goat, but the guy who had the corn didn't necessarily need a goat. So you would trade the goat to somebody else. For some, I don't know, for a donkey. And then you would trade the donkey to the... it was just a... money made it easier for people to exchange things, you could just sell one thing outright use money to pay for another thing. So...

Lesley Logan  

And actually, you know, where this is really funny not to interrupt you, but I'm going to... the thing about money also is it became easier for them to track debt. And that's really like was the biggest implicit impetus to like making money, something you would hold on to and a half tangible and have meaning on it? Because they needed to track people's debt. because like you said, you know, you would trade a donkey for a goat. But like, the guy who wanted the donkey to give it to the big burly guy only had a goat. So he owes that donkey guy money. 

Clare Solly  

Yeah! Oh my gosh. And like, we could go on and on about debt and credit scores, and all of the shenanigans that like that stuff is like, oh, like, I'll come back and talk about that another day. (Lesley: Yeah) Um, but so money is just energy. So if you hold that, and that's a hard concept for people to understand. It is just a flow of energy. And that's the important word in that sentence: flow. So you have to let things flow, you can't just sit there with your pile of money and go, "Oh, my gosh, this is my pile of money. I hope that it's enough." Did I have enough money didn't move to New York, I absolutely did not. I, I just knew that I would eventually figure out how to make more... money. You can always make more money, you can always earn more money, you can li... it, you can spend more money, it's totally fine. So you can't just sit there and hold your money in a vacuum, you have to like let it go out. And, and it will come in. And something I started doing actually, with it going out, that the outflow and inflow of money is... everybody gets so excited when they win money or when you get a little bit more money, or you realize you look at your bank account on your phone, and you're like, "Oh my gosh, there's 100 more dollars in there than I thought." But nobody ever cheers the money going out. And the thing is, when money leaves your hands when you pay your electric bill, when you pay your cable bill, you're putting other people to work. You're creating an ecosystem, you're helping move things along. When you donate money, when you buy groceries, like it is such a bigger picture than just a dollar. So anytime you put money out into the world, you're creating a flow. So you should be very excited. And so when I write, especially when I write big checks, or when I know that like, like my car payment is coming out of my bank account, I will go look at it, and I will get really happy and really excited that that money is going away from me. And it never fails, (Lesley Logan: I love this so much) It never fails. Like within 48 hours, a good chunk of money comes back to me that I either didn't remember that was coming in or just magically decided to flow my way magically. I don't know why I should say that it just decided to blow my way. So because I am a channel for money, which if you know if you're not into flow and things like that, then and vibrations and whatever this might sound a little woowoo. But if you know whatever faith you believe in whatever you believe in, like universe, God, whatever, things show up for you when you need them. And when you prove you need them, or you prove that you're going to use them well, they will show up for you. So...

Lesley Logan  

I think, did we both read Big Magic at the same time?

Clare Solly  

We did! Because that was your first podcast - we were originally going to get through a book club podcast.

Lesley Logan  

We were, we totally were, we totally were. And oh my god, we somehow will have to make that happen. That book has so much staying power. It's like five years old. But the same thing that comes with ideas and creativity is money, because it is all energy, right? Everything is. And it's really true. If you like, like if you hold on to an idea and you don't tell anyone about it, guess what, you will never make it happen. It like ideas want to be born and they have to be talked about. And you can share them because James Altucher said to in a podcast like seven years ago and it changed my world. He said 98% of people will never take action on idea. So you could literally tell everybody your ideas and lit... only 2% of them might actually take action. That doesn't mean they'll do them. And even if they did, because they're not you it won't be the same thing, right? So, so the so the reason I came up was like, I grew up in a household that like the money was gone before it came in because we were in debt. So it was just like always gone. And it was always, "No, we can't afford it. No, we can afford it." And I remember being in college and people invited me things and saying, "No, I can't afford it." And I got really annoyed when it came out of my mouth, because I sounded like my parents and I was like, "I don't want to say that. I don't want to say I can't afford anything anymore. I want to have new phrases." So Clare, for someone who is like, "Okay, I believe money is energy, I hear you, but I really don't feel like I can afford things right now." What do they need to say instead so that it doesn't have that, like, "I know I can't afford it," or, "I don't have any money." Like, what's a better phrase?

Clare Solly  

I mean, going back to your, your, your bringing... up-bringing, like, a lot of people feel that they're in a famine situation. And it's like, well, no, you're not in a famine situation. Like, you have clean flowing water, you have a roof over your head, you have two hands, or you have a mind you have, um, you have abilities to do things no matter who you are, no matter what background you have, um, and if you can't afford things, do you really need them? So that's part of it. And for people that are listening that are like bare bones, like, "Ahh, I have no money," like just take a breath, ask for what you need. Tell yourself – I started having a mantra about 20 years ago and I said I posted that sticky notes on my mirror, on my bedroom, on my bedroom wall like on the doorframe as I would walk out of my room. It was on my mirror in the bathroom. And my mantra was, "All the money I want need will be available. All the money I want and need will be available." And I just said that mantra. Anytime I got afraid, because that's the thing... You were in this famine situation and you were afraid so, or your family was afraid, so you were... think of like, you know, flow, you know, in whatever vessel, whatever tube in whatever highway... and it's like being squeezed. It's like your fists are being squeezed, like nothing's going to flow through that, right? Um, and like your blood's not going to flow if you tense your muscles, like things like that. So you have to relax and you have to refocus and go, "I am okay. I am not afraid. Everything I want will be provided for me." Like, "Whatever I need will be there." You just have... and it sounds completely bonkers, completely bonkers. And I laugh because I had a moment, one day, like right before I moved to New York, where I was panicked that I would not be able to afford toothpaste. I had a panic attack brushing my teeth, because I've had half a tube of toothpaste and I was like what if this is the last toothpaste I can ever afford? What... I'm moving across the country, I have $1,000 in my bank account. I don't know what I'm going to do... literally had a panic attack over toothpaste. And it is hysterical because every time I panic about money now, toothpaste or toothbrush shows up in my life, some sort of like, some sort of freebie or a friend, like, gives me a tube of toothpaste or, like, it's just the weirdest thing. It's and if you (Lesley: It's a good sign saying, "Hey, Clare, you have money because you have toothpaste.") It's, it's just crazy. And if you just sit back, and, and relax, and you can take my mantra if you want, you can have your own - whatever will help you center and relax and just know that what you need will come when you need it. Just like the toothpaste for me. You will get it.

Lesley Logan  

I agree. Like I think, I know you're a master manifester. And I think, um, you know, I think some people, they, they have a hard time with the manifesting because I think that they know what they want, but they are manifesting like it might not happen. I don't think that they realize that they're doing that because they're like, "I really want this thing," but while they're thinking about they're thinking of all the different ways you could go wrong, are all the different ways of why it's not their turn or it's not their time, or they don't have time, or you know what I mean? And so, so what are what are some? What are some of your ways of like manifesting like what's your favorite way to man..., I don't know, is there a way you manifest?

Clare Solly  

I mean, our crazy monkey-brain... our subconscious doesn't hear negative words. It only hears like the tangible word. So if you're like, "I don't want to be poor," your subconscious will only hear, "Poor." So make, turn your phrases to positive like, I, like, "I have..." if you just walk around and you're like, "I'm wealthy," like I or, I'm like in grateful. Gratitudes right? I'm grateful that I have running water. I am grateful that I have electricity. Um so I and you can say things like, I'm grateful that I have money in my bank account. I am grateful that I have $10 in my in my wallet. Like if you just think about the positive things, and you know, hey, maybe... the Jim Carrey thing has never worked for me where he like wrote himself the check for what is it? 25 grand, something like that, or a million dollars. I can't remember what it is. But...

Lesley Logan  

Yeah, that's like a million. I think he wrote it. And he gave it to his dad or something. It was like there was something really touching about it. But anyways, (Clare: Yeah), I mean, I don't know. It doesn't work for me. Yeah

Clare Solly  

Yeah, but maybe, but yeah, just turn it positive, like, "I have what I need," or, "What I need will come for me," or..., and the thing with manifesting too, is that our fight or flight response starts to kick in. And we start to problem solve, because we, you know, we need to solve the immediate, or we need to solve the soon upcoming, like, I only have two, two meals in my freezer, so I need to make sure that I get more than $10 in my bank account so I can have food for a couple of days. Well, just tell yourself where you have food right now, you're fine, you can make it work. Like, we've all been in a place where we've had a scarcity of something, and we've all made it work. So...

Lesley Logan  

Yeah, I think that's really, if you can, I don't know if anyone can hear my dogs barking, I'm so sorry. Welcome to working from home. But um, I think what's really fascinating about you know, it's really like 100% of time, living in a life where you only think positive is pretty impossible, but it's very much turning that around, and like the subconscious is really maleable. And that if you do catch yourself saying something really negative, you can say several more things positive and like, outweigh that negative thoughts. And just like, you know, extra talk around that. And the other thing is, is that, like, I, I find that you said fight or flight and it made me think of like stress, and our brain also does not want to be stressed out. So if the thing that you're wanting is actually causing you stress, because you're afraid you're not gonna have it (Clare Solly: Not gonna bring it to you) it's gonna run away from that.

Clare Solly  

Yeah, totally. Absolutely, it is. Um, and, I mean, I also do an exercise where I'm I meditate and I think of expansion. So and this is something if you're not good at meditating, you don't have to, like, sit down and get an complet... contemplative state. You can do it like, as you're falling asleep, or like, if you're like in the zone, on like your workout, or some sort of situation like brushing your teeth, you can even do it then. Like, or in the shower, we all have those moments where we're just kind of like Zen and our wheels and our brain are kind of going and if you think about your, your bank account, or your credit card, or whatever, think of it as some sort of vessel. So some sort of space. So for me, mine is sort of, like, it's sort of like a big warehouse, like I think of like those vast warehouses, or like a huge office building that's like completely empty, and just waiting for someone to come in. And you can think of like your money or how much money you have on your credit card as like a pile in the corner. Right. So that's, that's what you've got. And if you think about how much space you have, and just tell yourself, I have so much space for money, I have so much space for wealth to come in for me. And you can actually sit there and mentally move the walls back and build yourself more space. And you can have like it can be a field with a fence around it. Or you can have a big outdoor space you can have a mountain with some sort of invisible force field or a valley or something, you know, whatever it is for you. And it sounds crazy. It sounds crazy and this just came to me a couple of months ago but I and I don't do this every day I will add it into my meditation or or I'll add it into my, my thinking as I'm falling asleep if the negative thoughts are coming in, and you know I'm listening to my my beach waves or my you know, if I'm not listening to a lead meditation, I just think about expanding my money vessels because credit cards and bank accounts are pretty much the same thing. A lot of people get so afraid of, "Oh my gosh, I have so much debt I have so much wracked up on my credit cards." But honestly, it's just more space, it's just creating more space for you to create things. And it's the more space you have the more room for money there is.

Lesley Logan  

Yeah, no, you're 100% I think a lot of people are raised like credit card debt is bad. And all of a sudden, well, let me just tell you, if you don't use them, you also don't have a credit score, so then you can't even buy a house. So like, there's this game you have to play. And if you think of it as a game, and you have fun with it, and you see those credit cards as like, as a way to continue to build something with a positive. And that's very intentional spending, it's very different than like, "Oh, I just really want to have this shirt that I don't need." Like, it's different than that, like if you're using this to like make your magic happen, or, or put it towards something that's like the thing that you're really wanting to do. And you have, as Clare mentioned earlier, this like positive energy towards that bill, right? Like, I, I make sure when Brad and I pay our taxes, I'm like, there's nothing stressful about taxes, taxes are amazing, we get to pay them, how much money do we owe? Tell me how big it is... like, I don't know. And it's not like, I'm excited. It's just that I want to stay excited on all the things and I think it's really, I think it's a mindset shift that a lot of people have to make, because they're like, "Oh, I'm in credit card debt. And that's bad." And it's like, "Well, you know, ish..." If you bought a bunch of like H&M clothes that are in one season out the next and maybe that wasn't the best use of your credit, and your money. But if you're using things to get an education or our get the computer, you need to like start working on your project, or take the course on how to paper mache puppy, like puppets, or something that... I don't know what you want to do. Like, it's not bad, if it's something that you're using to even be your meditative movement meditation, like that also can be good. Like, it's just the energy you put towards it. Right? Um, I, I know that you like, you and I have definitely, as we mentioned, beginning have had many lives. You know, we're shoe designers, you did acting near money mindset coach, one of the things, we don't have to go too much into it, but I think it's important is... you do write books. And there is a, to me, a self discipline to writing a book. And I'm not saying that, like, you're the most perfect, self-disciplined person writing books. But I just thought, you know, so many people have a story that they want to share. But they feel like they can't write or they don't have the time to write, or they don't even know where to start. And I just wondered if you could like, tap into that a little bit. Because I find that like written word about your life, or what you've done also is another way to see yourself in something. So I don't know if we can talk a little bit about writing.

Clare Solly  

Yeah, I mean, honestly, writing my first novel was probably one of the most vulnerable things I've ever done in my life. And I've done a lot... like, I am one person that will definitely, like, do so many vulnerable things, like be naked, boldly in front of people, um, literally and figuratively. Um, and my first novel, I started writing in 2012. I was seeing a guy and it, it didn't turn out well. And I was doing The Artists Way. If you haven't done it, look it up, it's a fun process. It gets you, it gets you back on track. I've done it twice.

Lesley Logan  

I love my morning pages. I love them.

Clare Solly  

I love my morning pages. Yeah. And that's that's a great way to start too, if you have an idea, and you want to start just getting things down, just write. I mean, the artists way says write three pages a day... just start writing a page a day, just commit to a page. Because anybody can write a page while you're, you know, waking up. I do mine half asleep anyway, like I'm sipping, I make my coffee and I start writing pages. Um, and that's a great jumpstart. So yeah, my first novel was, it came out of writing these morning pages because I got so tired of saying, "Oh, I'm so tired of..." or, "I've, I'm so heartbroken and so whatever over this guy..." and, and he wasn't, so wasn't worth it. And...

Lesley Logan  

They never are. They never are... 

Clare Solly  

Never.... And I started writing letters to myself or no sorry. I started writing letters to him, because I got tired of just complaining. So I was like, Well, okay, this is an actionable thing. I'm going to write letters to you. And my first novel is a fiction sort of romance, novel; time travel. Um, and I wasn't satisfied with just the writing of the letter, so I started writing answers to myself back. And so some of those letters are actually the very end of my first novel, and I started, because we're, you know, a subway culture in New York City, I was riding the subway at least an hour a day. And I would get out my notebook and I just write on the subway, like for an hour handwrite. And I wrote, I filled up two notebooks. And I thought, you know, this is, this is interesting, this is just a story that was coming out of me, had no intention of publishing it or sharing it with anybody. I started telling people. Um... that's, it's so funny, because I think that I, I wasn't wanting to share it with people. But I was telling everybody that I was writing a book, because people started asking me about it. So that's another step you can do, you can just start talking about it with people. If you start telling people that you're writing a book, even if you just have an inkling of an idea or a page, they will help keep you honest, they will, what did I say? Slingshot! They will help slingshot you towards your goal. Um, and so I just kept writing, I typed it out, I spent a weekend and I typed out all my journals, and then finished writing it. It took me about two and a half years to write. And then I put it in a drawer and sat on it for a good year and a half and didn't know what to do. Because I you were the only person I actually knew who had published a book. And I, I didn't, we weren't really, like we weren't talking a whole lot right then. And, um...

Lesley Logan  

I think that was probably around when I was like, it was just post me being homeless. (Clare: Yeah.) And so I was a little like, that's just that like that. That's what we're slingshoters because it's like, okay, you slung shot me. And then I like, did the thing. And then you want to publish your book. And I was like, oh, this, this how I did it. It's not hard. You actually went through a different services that's better than mine.

Clare Solly  

Yeah, well, and we were actually like, we were across the country. And our, like, we had sort of, like, fallen, like, we haven't fallen off as friends. But we just sort of like lost track of each other. It was just sort of whatever. So I just I didn't know, I didn't know, um, and by random circumstance, right, which I feel is random. But looking back, it's what I needed in the moment, and I probably manifested it. I ran into a random stranger at an industry party, I was working in the wedding industry at that point. And this guy was a friend of the host, who had nothing to do with the industry, had stopped by for like, 30 minutes of this party. And I caught him right before he was leaving. He was like standing nearby the women's restroom, and at a table and I asked him if he would watch my wine because I didn't want to take my glass of wine in the bathroom. And he, he's like, "Sure, I'm going to be here for like, three minutes. If you're back before then I'll watch it." And so I went to the restroom came back. And I started I thanked him and started talking to him. And he was like, "Oh, yeah, I'm, I'm a novelist." And I was like, tell me more. And turns out, he was, four-time, almost five-times self published novelist at the time, that one of the biggest tips he gave me, he's like, just publish it. He's like, just to get it out there because you can go back and you can change anything in the guts of it. Or you can change anything. Like, you can revise it, you can go back, like it does not have to be perfect which blew my mind at the time. Because I thought, "Oh, wait, it has to go through an agent," and, "It has to be perfect." And it has to like, no, it doesn't know write the book....

Lesley Logan  

I love that you brought that up, because it's, I am, we are currently, you know, we, at the time I'm talking to you, I just finished editing the book that I put out in 2013. Because, you know, some things have changed. Like, you don't need a web page anymore, you actually just need a website. And like, Twitter is not necessarily the way to talk to clients, because Instagram is around, right. So like, there's some things that like needed to be updated as far as the world we live in today. And then a couple other things. And, and it's true. It's my book, and I got to, I get to edit it, and it's gonna go back out there. And, and it is just about getting it done. Because the first one is always like the most, like make it the most precious. We make it like has to be this perfect thing. And since you publish this book, first of all, many people have bought it. It's done really well. And you've published another one.

Clare Solly  

Yeah, yeah. And my second one, the second novel after I came home, I was in between jobs, and I sat down and I was like, I am going to write this book in a month and a half, and I sat down I gave myself a page goal every day. I wasn't going crazy. I outlined it. I gave myself an A-to-Z outline. I didn't follow it exactly. But I wrote for like three hours a day and follow this outline. And in six weeks I had a novel (Lesley: Yeah) and like all the tools you need are out there. Like you can find an editor, you can find and they don't have to find an expensive one. Yet, If you do, um, I don't suggest having your friends be your editors. They're great as like a first read.

Lesley Logan  

No, but definitely let someone do that. And I'm like, that's that that's the wrong "waste."

Clare Solly  

Yeah. Because like, even though I love my friends, I will like, they'll say, "Yeah, let me edit for you." And then they disappear with the book for like a year. (Lesley: Right, right.) Wait, I had a deadline.

Lesley Logan  

Yeah. No, it's, it's true, like you do need outside people. But it is, you know, I think, I think my favorite part of the whole thing is that, you know, you met this person randomly, but not randomly. It was, you know, that, what are the odds and also, of course, and then it's like, just get it done, because then you could do this next one, and you did it faster, and you had deadlines. And there's so much I love about that. Because even if you don't meet a deadline that you gave yourself, just the act of working towards it really helps get you so much clarity around what it is that you're doing. Okay, so, Clare first, where can everyone follow you? Find you? Obviously, if you, if they like wanting some money mindset coaching, or some book coaching and where should they go?

Clare Solly  

You can find me on my website, it's YouWontBeSolly.com so it's, it's all together, no apostrophe in won't. And my last name is S O L L Y. I'm sure you've got you'll put it in the notes or something but YouWontBeSolly.com.

Lesley Logan  

I love, I love your, I love your URL. So much fun. Okay, so this is all really fun. People got some really great like inspiration towards manifesting towards also seeing that you could do multiple things in your lifetime. And it's awesome and positive. But what what is something or a couple things that people can do today, this week to actually Be It Till They See It. Anything that's bold or executable or intrinsic or targeted?

Clare Solly  

I mean, I think you can do it on small in small steps. Like you can go big, you can go Yes, I'm gonna move across the country. But in reality it took me two years to like gear up to get there right. You can publish a book it's gonna take time. I think part of it is be realistic but don't doubt yourself. So go Okay, yeah, I want to write a book. How much time do I have to do it? Um, can I get up 30 minutes earlier in my day or can I give myself like my extend my bedtime by 30 minutes shut myself in a room. Even if it's your bathroom and just write like just commit to writing? And when it comes to money, don't be afraid of it just know that it flows, it flows in and out. And if you have a good, good isn't right. If you feel solid and what you need the money for... if you have a course you want to take or a course you want to teach or something you want to do to your house or something... like, if you are solid in what that is that money will show up for you too. If you were solid in your energy, the other energy will show up and I think that's generally in either in the book writing or in the money manifestation worlds that I talk about. If you show up, stuff will show up for you.

Lesley Logan  

That is, that is beautiful. That is exactly, that is it. If you show up stuff will show up for you. Mic drop! Amazing moment. My dear friend Clare, thank you so much for hanging out with me this afternoon. And thank you everyone who's listening. Please do us a big huge favor and screenshot this podcast, tag in tag Clare - her Instagram handle be in the show notes. It is @youwontbesolly on Instagram. Yes. Great. She's nodding yes. Okay. So and I'm the be it pod so it's @be_it_pod. So tag us both with your takeaway so that Clare can see like, what about this podcast really resonated with you, we can literally show up for you in high five you in the DMs. It's so important, and it helps us get this message out to everyone who needs to Be It Till You See It. Until next time, see you everyone.

Lesley Logan  

That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review. And, follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcasts. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the @be_it_pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others BE IT TILL YOU SEE IT. Have an awesome day!

Lesley Logan  

'Be It Till You See It' is a production of 'As The Crows Fly Media'.

Brad Crowell  

It's written, produced, filmed and recorded by your host, Lesley Logan and me, Brad Crowell.

Lesley Logan  

Kevin and Bel at Disenyo handle all of our audio editing and some social media content.

Brad Crowell  

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Lesley Logan  

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Brad Crowell  

And to Meridith Crowell for keeping us all on point and on time.

Brad and Lesley break down the interview with Sandra Chuma, reflecting on her willingness to share her story, how vulnerable she was about her mental crash, the realizations it caused, and the project it started.

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In this episode you will learn about:

• Positivity, negativity - it's a habit. It's a decision.

• Feeling stuck

• Rising tide lifts all boats

• The meaning of success 

Episode References/Links:

• Tiny Habits by BJ Fogg

• The Big Leap by Gay Hendricks

• Sandra's IG - @sandra.chuma  

• Sandra's website

• Worthy's IG - @iamworthy.co

• Worthy's website - iamworthy.co

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Episode Transcript:

Lesley Logan  

Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week my guests will bring Bold, Executable, Intrinsic and Targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.

Lesley Logan  

Welcome back to the Be It Till You See It interview recap where my co host in life, Brad and I are going to dig into the inspirational combo I had with Sandra Chuma in our last episode. If you haven't listened to that interview, feel free to pause this now, go back and listen to that one and then come back and join us, or you do you. We have already discussed this. I love, I just today I listened to a recap episode before I listened to the episode. It's like Blinkist but for podcast, we'll give it a name. Alright, okay, so y'all.

Brad Crowell  

I love it.

Lesley Logan  

I'm so glad you're here. I can't wait for us to talk about Sandra Chuma. But before that, I have to say we are two days away from kicking off Agency MINI number five. And Brad, how excited are you for this?

Brad Crowell  

Oh, it's gonna be amazing. We have had a bunch of people already sign up. And it is it's really exciting to see people getting enthusiastic about moving their businesses forward. And the program that we have in store for them they don't even know they know it's coming. It is it's gonna be a whirlwind. It's been amazing. If you are wondering what the heck we're even talking about, you can go to ProfitablePilates.com/mini. And if we still have room at this point, by the time you hear this, you can you can sign up if you if there's no room, you will find the waitlist there. And you can find out for the next time. But basically, it's a seven day mini program of our open enrollment, ongoing coaching, business coaching for fitness business instructors. And it's a ton of fun.

Lesley Logan  

It's so much fun. So here's the thing, Brad and I are not big fans of Facebook, but we do use it for this program. And it is a frickin' party. Every time we do this have over 100 people in there. And it's just people sharing their goals and getting strategy, actual strategies and taking super messy action. There's always wins to be had. Like, I love letting people in. It's so much fun to let them in the group. It's so much fun to see why they're there. My notifications blow up like crazy. Brad and I don't even like, we don't even take calls or friends. We like anyone isn't asking us hang out. We're like...

Brad Crowell  

We order dinner all week. Like, there's no time.

Lesley Logan  

After August 7... We get the dog sitter like, I mean, I work out, but that's about the only thing I do outside of a Facebook group. So anyways, you have two days to sign up at ProfitablePilates.com/mini and again, if it's sold out, which it always does. If it is you'll get the waitlist and just put yourself on there. And don't worry, we'll check it on you. We love to help people with their fitness businesses. Okay, so, babe, do we have a question from the audience?

Brad Crowell  

We totally have a question.

Lesley Logan  

I'm super excited about this.

Brad Crowell  

Yeah. Well...

Lesley Logan  

Oh, let me read it.

Brad Crowell  

I would love for you to read it. Yes!

Lesley Logan  

I'm gonna read it. Okay, here we go. Okay, this is from someone who DM'd me at the @be_it_pod. That's where you can actually, if you have questions for us, you just DM us there. And the question is, here it goes: I have a question for you regarding how to handle and help negative friends. I have a friend who's a gorgeous person, great spirit awesome pizzazz. Currently, though, she's on a really negative spiral. Because she's so funny, they are really entertaining stories, but I feel like she's living in "rant city" and can't get out. Like you gals said in the pod, she's looking for ways to be right. I want to help her see that she can attract positive, not just negative, but then don't want to come across lecturing. Do you have a way you share this type of message with these people? I don't want to remove her from my life and I also work with her so the contact is frequent. I was thinking maybe a book, but also have no idea. I know she's open to change, also as it's stuff we've talked about. So that's, you know, that's tough. Negative people are hard.

Brad Crowell  

Yeah, you know, I, I absolutely believe that it is a decision to be positive or negative. But it's, it's a... it's also a habit, right? And that's the hard part, is that we, you know, just in the same way that we, you know, habitually walk with our shoulders down or whatever, turn our feet out from a physical perspective. There is a mental habit that we build for ourselves as well in how we think and it's just so easy to go right back to that mindset of, you know, the world's out to get me or everything is against me or it's really it's a combination. It's actually this question couldn't be more poignant because if you went back and listen to Sandra's episode, she actually talks about the, you know, the "world being against you" mentality and the stories that we tell ourselves. But it's also the story that the world tells ourselves. So, you know, this is a cycle. This is a habit, and it is a really hard thing to break. However, if you are going to be recommending a book to someone, I have a feeling I know which one Lesley is gonna say... And it's Tiny Habits.

Lesley Logan  

Oh, which is also at Sandra does. That's actually funny. Yes, totally Tiny Habits. I was also thinking The Big Leap, but um, you know, I love what you said, there, it is a habit for her. And it's a choice. Um, I'm also gonna say, you know, you wrote that she's funny, and the stories are really entertaining. So she's getting attention from people laughing at these stories. And she might have a story that she's telling herself that if I rant until a funny story, that's why people pay attention to me. (Brad: Sure.) So there, there actually might be that she thinks this is actually how she gets people to pay attention to her, or that this is like who she is, and this persona that she's wearing, and who would she be if she stops being like this. So I definitely love the Tiny Habits book. And, and you'll hear a lot about that with Sandra, too. I in The Big Leap is a great one, you know, it is hard. I'm going to talk a little bit about boundaries. It is hard if you work with someone, it's kind of difficult to put those boundaries up. But what I would suggest if you cannot cut the person out of your life, who's being negative, be the person you wish that they were to them. So, (Brad: Yeah) just literally like, Oh, you don't rant you don't say negative things like be really conscious of like, giving them what you wish they were giving you. And reciprocity is real. And it's also subconscious. So it's super cool. The other thing I would say is like books are really awesome. They also take time, and if someone is not like if someone doesn't read it going, "Yes, this is what I've been looking for!" They won't... there's a stack of books on the table that I've been wanting my dad to read. I don't think that they've moved in order at all. So what I would say is send her podcasts like these. Actually...

Brad Crowell  

Yeah, actually, this is a lot more digestible than a book. 

Lesley Logan  

Yeah!

Brad Crowell  

You know.

Lesley Logan  

And so that's what I would do is like send, send them the inspiration that you wish that they were listening to. And then also just remember that it is their choice and not your responsibility. (Brad: Yeah) So that is hard because you work with them. But if you really feel that they're taking you down, you are just going to have to come up with some really great things. Something that I suggested to someone in my coaching group actually was like, pull a book out of what I learned about celebrities. When I worked at Fred Segal, I would meet tons of celebrities and they would walk around with the phone. You can't see me on a podcast, but the YouTubers you can see me, they'd walk around with their cell phone up to their ear. I swear they're listening to the time. I swear it was. "And the time is now 4:01 PST beeeeeep!" But like, I don't know, because they would do that. Why? If you have a phone to your ear, people don't talk to you. (Brad: Right) So you might need to put a phone to your ear and act like, "Oh, I got a call." And your phone can be on "Do not disturb" people are used to phones ringing not hearing it. Give yourself some outs. Then distance yourself and build up your resistance to negative energy. I hope that helps.

Brad Crowell  

Yeah, I think I like what you said. I appreciate what you said. (Lesley: Oh thanks!) Yeah.

Lesley Logan  

I appreciate what you say.

Brad Crowell  

Oh so cute. All right. Now let's talk about Sandra Chuma. (Lesley: Yes) All right, everyone. If you didn't listen to the last episode, Sandra Chuma is a shining beacon of hope. (Lesley: Literally) Being around her just makes you want to smile.

Lesley Logan  

We haven't even been around her yet.

Brad Crowell  

I guess even on zoom calls. First of all, she she's got an incredible story about growing up in a hut with a mud floor. Then going off to college, and eventually building an eight figure company with her husband. But secondly, her goal, her focus to empower others is simply inspirational. Like, what-have-you-done-with-your-life-recently, inspirational. (Lesley: Yeah) Her experiences, her life experiences, her internal struggles, which she was so open and sharing. I have shaped the way she thinks and has changed what she does for the betterment of the entire world. (Lesley: Yeah, I know.) So, she's awesome.

Lesley Logan  

She's amazing. And if you don't if you ever have a chance to watch this podcast, hers is definitely one worth watching. Just the way she speaks and the grace she has and, like, when he says a shining beacon of hope, you can see her shine. (Brad: Yeah), beacon of hopeness. Okay, well, here's what I love that she said. Giving! Her father said you're success will mean, will never mean anything unless you use it to help others, unless you use it to reach back and bring others with you. What is the meaning of success if you're only doing it for you? So I love this so much. Because I think we, I think it's really easy to put "just" next to whatever it is that we're doing. And we go, I'm just this, I'm just this. And when you put that word in front of you, you also just become really obsessed with what you're doing. And something that I started years ago, and I'm so grateful for you, Brad, because you've been able to help me do this is everything we do. OPC it's all about bringing that entire community with us Profitable Pilates and Agency. It's like we had success. Now, let me show you how we did it so we can bring other people with us. I want to rise all the tides like oh, there's only the one tide... but there's many oceans...

Brad Crowell  

We'll go with it. (Lesley: I'm just rising the tides) All 55 tides.

Lesley Logan  

But at any rate, like and it's also why we started this podcast. Like, I... it feels like a hamster wheel if you're just doing things for yourself. Or it can feel a little stucky, stucky's not a word. But you get stuck.

Brad Crowell  

We're just making it all up today.

Lesley Logan  

Just making all words today. (Brad: Well, I think) The point is that I want people to come with me on this journey. Because what's the point if they're not?

Brad Crowell  

Yeah, I agree. 100%. And, but in context with what she was specifically saying, she was saying how she definitely had a crash, you know, where she built this epic company, which, you know, she she really struggled with feeling guilty about not being happy, because she literally grew up in a village in a hut and now she has an eight figure company, and she wasn't happy. And she's like, my, I'm living a life that my grandparents would never have dreamed of. And my cousins would give their right arm for and but I'm not happy about it. And I don't understand. And and I think that that was the beginning of her revelation. Really, listening to her her father, about you know, what is the meaning of success, if it's not, you know, if it's only for you, or your success will never mean anything unless you use it to help others unless you use it to reach back and bring others with you. And that I mean, that's like, you know, it sounds like this nice thing you want to hear. But she lived it. she she she literally experienced it where suddenly, at the top, she's like that... Nothing's different for me now. But I'm apparently "here," whatever that means...

Lesley Logan  

Well, I think it's because we all just are going, like, we're all going for what we think the world thinks success is, and then we expect that that to make us happy. That's why we're the Be It Till You See It podcast exists, be the thing you want to be before you have it. (Brad: Yeah.) You know, be the happy person you want to be when you have the thing, and you'll be happier all the way there.

Brad Crowell  

Yeah. And the journey. I mean, it's she talked about that to where it's about the journey and enjoying where you're at today, right now, you know, instead of this, you know, angst that we, we like, put on ourselves for you know, I'm gonna when when this happens, then I'll be you know, happy. Yeah, it's...

Lesley Logan  

I mean, her rock bottom definitely helped her Be It Till She Sees It, for sure. But, you know, the other thing I think is really important is that this is not something she said, but something I'm thinking of is like, we can't ever, we don't want to ever take away anyone's rock bottoms like that, that place is literally where the seeds of so many things come from. And so if you are, (Brad: It's where all those tides come from), yes! That is where the tides come from! But the point is, is that if you feel like someone you know is not acting as if it's not Being It Till They See It, or you feel like you know, you're not there yet. If you're you feel like you're at a rock bottom right now you're listening to this, that is like where you're supposed to be and you can't take that from yourself. And I have been at rock bottoms. Brad has been at rock bottoms and like, those were pivotal moments in our lives that actually changed us for the best, the best versions of ourselves. And so, anyway...

Brad Crowell  

I do I do think that there's room for those rock bottoms to change you for the worse, you know... But fortunately, by, you know, surrounding, you know, yourself with people who are looking out for you and, you know, like, like making sure you go through it, you know, you can learn from it. And I know for me when, you know, when I was getting a divorce in the past, it was it was a, it literally changed who I am today - bar none. Like, nothing else was more impactful on who I am today than that experience. And it was a terrible experience. I hated every moment. It was so painful. But it was it was such a transformative place to be. And I noticed, you know, Sandra talked a little bit about that with her bathroom floor. So you have to go back and listen. (Lesley: Yes.) But... yeah.

Lesley Logan  

But also I think you made a really good point and then we'll talk about he liked is that it's the people around you. And thank goodness for people like her father who could... who could say something to her that would make her think and change what she was doing. And, and y'all have to check out what she's up to because it is... she is bringing you with her. She really is. What did you love?

Brad Crowell  

Okay, so she said this other thing that I thought was really vulnerable. She, she said, you know, life was hard, but it was fine. And she had this incredible community, we're just talking about community. She had this incredible community where she grew up in Zimbabwe. And then she went off to college. And she was out of her community. She was away from her people her support, you know, her her loving, you know, family, friends and neighbors. And she said, that was actually the beginning of when she began, she she actually said this amazing word, "not-enoughness." That's what she began experiencing this not-enoughness, you know, and she said, she went to school in England. And they talked about Zimbabwe, you know, if Zimbabwe is in the news, it's talked about as a third world country, you know, and so she became very small in her her thinking, and she never shared. She said, It took years for her to start to tell people where she came from. And she said she was lucky enough to get away with, you know, her accent was British English. That's how they speak in Zimbabwe, so nobody could ever question where she was from. But she never told anyone that she was from Zimbabwe. And I thought you actually, you actually hinted at it earlier. This the, when we put the word "just" in front of ourselves, you know, we're doing exactly that, "Oh, I'm just a, I'm just a teacher," or, "I'm just a fitness teacher. I'm just," you know, "a Pilates teacher," those... that kind of story. You know, "I'm just from a village." You know, "I'm just from a third world country," whatever. It's consistently reinforcing this negative view, there's not-enoughness that Sandra was talking about. Where today, she said she's so proud to be from Zimbabwe, from a village of people who loved her and cared for her, you know, and how much that's completely changed, you know, her life, that, that support that she had in that space. So, anyway, I was thinking about how we are applying that to ourselves in the different scenarios that we're going through.

Lesley Logan  

Oh, yeah. I mean, I think, whether or not you're from a small town, or a small country, or, you know, it's so easy for us to play small and not feel like we're enough. And I think it's so important that you just, you're enough, just because you are who you are, like, and that's so it sounds so cliche. And so like, whoo, whoo. It's a one-woo room in here. Like, there's only room for one woo, and the truth is.

Brad Crowell  

It so woo!

Lesley Logan  

It's a woo! Well, I'm making "one woo" a thing. But the reality is, is that, yeah, it's interesting how this theme of this episode is about the stories we tell ourselves. It's a story you're telling yourself, and you can tell yourself a different story. And I know it's really hard, but the subconscious mind is actually really malleable. And so the more you remove just from any way you introduce yourself, or any way you talk about yourself, that will go the more you actually talk yourself up. I tell people all the time, you don't like saying that you're a Pilates teacher, you feel like people don't take you seriously for that when you have this kind of advice or this advice, then call yourself something else. You're a wellness expert, whatever, you get to change.

Brad Crowell  

You can say I change people's lives. (Lesley: Yeah), they're gonna be like, What?

Lesley Logan  

I know. I know. When one day Brad introduced us as something else. And I was like, whoo, okay, I'm standing taller, you know, so I mean, I just changed my job title. And I feel so much prouder because of my new title. I'm the new I am the Chief Vision Officer. What? CVO, that is so much better than I was calling myself before. So if you are feeling small or not enough, start with how you introduce yourself and just start changing it there. That's a great takeaway. (Brad: Love it) All right.

Brad Crowell  

All right. So finally, let's talk about the Be It action items. What bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted action items can we take away from your convo with Sandra.

Lesley Logan  

We decided to team up on this one.

Brad Crowell  

This is really hilarious because she said, "Well, I don't have just one I'm gonna cheat. It's also more than three." I was like, "What?" And she's like, "It's six." I was like, "What?" (Lesley: Yeah) Okay!

Lesley Logan  

She definitely is the first to do six and

Brad Crowell  

She's the first

Lesley Logan  

And you know, they're so freakin good.

Brad Crowell  

Well, this is genius. Because Okay, she obviously started a company called WORTHY, okay, and, and again, stories, we tell ourselves worthy, you know, her, she took worthy and made it an acronym. So the W stands for why. So reconnecting with your why. The O stands for owning the day. The R is resting, reflecting and rewarding yourself celebrating yourself and...

Lesley Logan  

Yeah! And the T is all about tracking. Because how do you know where you're going? Like, so many people don't track, you've got to track whatever it is. And I promise you, it's moving the needle forward. H is habit because you are ever like you're everything you have in the habits. Those are things you do all the time. And we're big on habits and Sandra and me. Why is all about you, (Brad: You) you understand and believe in yourself and having the tools to help you understand why it's been challenging for you to achieve your goals in the past and how you must move beyond that. So y'all...

Brad Crowell  

I think it's so crazy. That the way that this this episode is kind of all circled around this, this idea of worthiness. And that actually, I produce the episode, but that wasn't on purpose. And now I'm reading all the action items thinking Oh, it's it all. It's all one story. And so amazing. Because Sandra is a storyteller, that is literally what she does. So Wow, she's so good at that

Lesley Logan  

She's so good. We'll have to have her back because I'm not done talking to her. And I really, I instantly light up thinking about her.

Brad Crowell  

Well, let's just quickly run through I think reconnect, you know, keep these short here. But the W reconnecting with your why, helps you build that foundation for you to O, go out and own your day. (Lesley: 100%) Right? And then when you go out and you own your day, you got the R which is the resting, reflecting and rewarding yourself celebrating yourself. So when you've reconnected with your why you can go out and own your day, then you can celebrate what you have gone and done. And it's so important. We are huge fans of celebrating you know (Lesley: I am) mini wins here. It's a big deal

Lesley Logan  

Wins are so important. It's so important that you, I talk... talk about this in everything we do. But in OPC I'm literally, every single class, talking about celebrate what you did do, do not focus on what you didn't do, right? Like the more you celebrate you did do the easier it is to show up to hit your mat and do your Pilates practice again, right. And in Agency we have people like if they ever complain, we have a channel that lets them vent. And if they do use it, they have to immediately - not tomorrow, not later in the week when they have one, no - immediately go to the wins. Because here's the deal, you really do see what you believe to be true. And when you're in a negative mindset, you just keep seeing bad things happening. So as soon as you look for a WIN, you see other good things happening, and when you celebrate YOU, it really does help you own a day and remind you of your WHY and so those three, super key. Tracking just really quick, anything that you want to do, you should be tracking like where you started and where you're at and, and, you know, Sandra even said - she's a Tiny Habits coach, I've been studying tiny habits as well because I'm obsessed with how we get things done. And, and the truth is, is that like you have to whatever it is maybe you track it in your calendar, maybe you hand write in a journal, that's what gratitude journals are for so you can track your gratitude. (Brad: Yeah) Beauty of gratitude, y'all is judgment cannot live in the same space as gratitude. So if you're feeling super judgy and yourself to start saying things you're grateful for and it like changes, but anyways, tracking any, anything you track, you will actually expand.

Brad Crowell  

It's one of the things that we bring into our OPC challenges - is tracking. You know, it's also the reason why we have one class available for seven days because you're going to be able to measure your progress based on the previous day's taking class, because it's the same class that's literally on purpose. It's a way to easily mentally track how far you're winning, how you're succeeding, again, celebrating. But H, the tracking. It's funny because when you actually like write it down and you start tracking it and see it in front of you, it does shape your actions and habits because you don't want to have an empty box on your sheet for Thursday, whatever if you didn't track what it was you're doing. So you do it. Right? And that helps you with H your habits. And then lastly, like we kind of were already talking about what with why it's about you understanding yourself, believing in yourself, knowing that you are enoughness, (Lesley: Yes, you are enoughness!) and you have the tools you know, and having the tools to help you understand why it's been challenging to achieve your goals. And now move beyond that. So anyway WORTHY, she actually has a full company iamworthy.co so that's absolutely worth checking out. She's just awesome. I was it was a really lovely interview to listen to and I'm gonna go back and listen to it again.

Lesley Logan  

Yeah, while I listen to him whenever they come out again, I just, I just love it. I learned so much the second, third, fourth time around. So anyways, everyone, I'm Lesley Logan.

Brad Crowell  

And I'm Brad Crowell.

Lesley Logan  

Thank you so much for joining us today. We are so grateful you're here. How are you going to use these tips in your life I want to know are using the WOR or use the whole WORTHY, tell us, share it and you just screenshot this, tag us on Instagram with, tag Sandra Chuma, her handle is below, and also the be it pod so @be_it_pod with your takeaways and send us a DM if you have questions or anything like that we'd love to hear from you. And also please share this with your friends. That is how this podcast gets out to other people.

Brad Crowell  

Bye!

Lesley Logan  

That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review. And, follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcasts. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the @be_it_pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others BE IT TILL YOU SEE IT. Have an awesome day!

Lesley Logan  

'Be It Till You See It' is a production of 'As The Crows Fly Media'.

Brad Crowell  

It's written, produced, filmed and recorded by your host, Lesley Logan and me, Brad Crowell.

Lesley Logan  

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Brad Crowell  

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Lesley Logan  

Special thanks to our designer Jaira Mandal for creating all of our visuals (which you can't see because this is a podcast) and our digital producer, Jay Pedroso for editing all the video each week so you can.

Brad Crowell  

And to Meredith Crowell for keeping us all on point and on time.

Today Lesley interviewed Sandra Chuma, who shared her inspirational story of living in a mud floored hut in Zimbabwe to going to college to building an 8-figure company - before realizing she was still totally unhappy. After finding herself crying on the bathroom floor she stepped back and reevaluated, founding Worthy, a company dedicated to showing you how to get clear on what you want, and how to attain it while honoring yourself.

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In this episode you will learn about:

• Ubuntu - I am because you are, you are because I am

• Why do we pursue what we pursue?

• Feelings of “not enoughness”

• The story society tells us of "you'll be enough when you have _____"

• Giving

• Be impeccable with your word

• Keep your promises to yourself

• Enjoying the journey - finding JOY every day

Episode References/Links:

• Sandra's IG - @sandra.chuma  

• Sandra's website - sandrachuma.com  

• Worthy's IG - @iamworthy.co

• Worthy's website - iamworthy.co

• Tiny Habits by BJ Fogg

• The Four Agreements by Don Miguel Ruiz

Guest Bio:

Sandra Chuma is an entrepreneur, speaker, coach, podcast host, and award-winning documentary filmmaker. She believes that our greatest responsibility is to share our stories so we can inspire and create possibility for others.What’s her superpower? Helping you choose faith - in yourself, in the goodness of others, and in your power to make a difference in the world. Sandra’s passion is helping women realize they were meant for more, and to help them stop playing small!Raised in a tiny mud hut in Zimbabwe with no running water or electricity, Sandra has never been one to let circumstances define her. Through hard work, and support from her “village”, she became a management consultant, advising major global companies. She then went on to build two successful companies.But despite all her professional success, she knew she wasn’t walking in her purpose. Sandra made the decision to go back to school in 2015 to get a master’s degree in Journalism, Storytelling & Documentary Filmmaking from Columbia University.Through the power of story, and leveraging her experience as a management consultant, Sandra has made it her mission to help others create the best version of themselves. She is building brands focused on providing inspiration, tools and community.Sandra is also the founder of WORTHY, which is on a mission to provide information, tools and community to help people find the beautiful and extraordinary in themselves.

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Episode Transcript:

Lesley Logan  

Welcome back to the Be It Till You See It podcast. I am so freakin stoked for you to be here today you have come for an incredible, incredible interview with Sandra Chuma. I'm going to call her one of my best friends on this planet because I believe that we are now. And I know she agrees with me... She is a light, like, like a true light on this planet. And she's... you never like underestimate the power of connection. And if you really want to work with someone, know someone, be friends with someone, reach out! Like, literally reach out. And I used to be – I'm saying this because I used to be someone who like, never... I never wanted to bother anyone. I don't want to waste people's time. Right? And so like, for whatever reason, I, I, I didn't, I used to not want to... I used to not ask people if they would like, want to present in one of my groups or want to do something because I was, I guess that was a fear of like rejection, but also like, Oh my gosh, like, "Who am I," right? I'm saying this because maybe you're someone who's like, "Wow, I really wish I could talk to somebody like Sandra Chuma," or, you know, insert your favorite person to follow on Instagram here. And the truth is, is that, believe it or not, while a lot of people get asked to do a lot of things they don't often get asked by someone who's so genuine as you. And so, you know, when I saw Sondra on Instagram and I shared some of her posts and I DM'd her and then I saw her speak at a friend's group. I totally fangirled... like fangirled. And, you know, not like not Beatles fangirled, but like, in my own way. And, and just like, like couldn't wait to like unmute myself in the zoom going, "I love you Sandra, I love you so much. I think you're so amazing!" Anyways, I share this because, you know, I don't, I did not know then what I know now which is that like someone... you can be friends with the people that you look up to. You can. And I, and, and I am, and we are friends - and I'm so happy she's here. She... her superpower is amazing. It's in the shownotes - please read it, she's got the most incredible story that I want you to know. She's an entrepren..., entrepreneur, speaker, coach, podcast host. She's an award winning documentar... documentary filmmaker, which we didn't even get into, so I'm gonna have to have her back on. What I really want you to listen to here is just her journey. And there's so much space, and, that she holds for herself. And her vision and how she keeps that in... her, her purpose... how she keeps that in front of her as her star for doing everything. It is something that I think we we all say, "Yes, I need to know what my goals are. I need to know what my why is. I need to do this..." but then we kind of like put it in the vision board on Pinterest, and like hide it. And what I want you to see in this interview is like what would happen, because what are the possibilities when you keep it right in front of you? And so I'm gonna keep... I'm gonna stop talking, because I just can't even do this amazing woman the justice of an intro that she needs. As soon as it goes in you're gonna hear she is everything and, and more. She's the founder of Worthy, so please check out her handles there in the show notes below. She also is going to say it at the end and I really need you to stick around to the very, very end because her tips to "Be It"... you're gonna put that on replay. This is going to be an episode you save, I know it. So take, take a listen right after this message. 

Lesley Logan  

Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained 1000s of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week my guests will bring Bold, Executable, Intrinsic, and Targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice not a perfect, let's get started.

Lesley Logan  

Hello, welcome back to the Be It Till You See It podcast. I am, like I first of all, I should have probably hit record the moment she came on my zoom - Sandra Chuma is here. You all I don't think this woman knows how much I talked about her. But I talked about her like she's one of my best friends. I'm manifesting that that happened. I, this is a woman that I actually connected with on Instagram, which I find fascinating. And then I saw her speak and another friend group and I was so fangirling like 100% fangirling. And she came and spoke in my Agency mastermind. And when I was writing down the people I wanted on my podcast, like, she was the top of the list. So I'm so honored to have her here. You are going to, like, she's a gem and you're going to get so many takeaways. So just already have a pen and paper out. But Sandra Chuma, welcome to the Be It pod! Thank you for being here. Do you... Can you tell everyone a little bit about yourself?

Sandra Chuma  

And then there she fumbled and you're like, right, talk me out like this amazing woman and then she can't even introduce herself. But literally, when you consider how many interviews I've done podcasts, it's still terr..., like strikes such terror and because, "What do I say? Who am I?" 

Lesley Logan  

No... I just I totally know what you mean. I just was on - well, we just talked about it... But I was on Lori Harder's podcast. And she's like, "Okay, tell us what OPC is." And I, like, became a robot. Because like... and as soon as I was done talking about what it is I was myself again. But for whatever reason, when we havendra to, like, 'Here's who I am!" It's like, uhhhh.

Sandra Chuma  

Like fear, like, "Oh, my gosh, who am I?" But all fun and games. So firstly, thank you for having me. And you know, what we already are - manifestation done - we already are BFFs because I adore you. And before we came on, I was telling you just about how grateful I was having had the opportunity to come and share with your community and how amazing your community is. But of course, the community is amazing because of you. And Brad... we'll give him a little bit of credit, but... But who am I? Okay, so my name is Sandra Chuma. And I love to share the fact that I am a girl from Zimbabwe. And I say that because it's something that I'm incredibly proud of. I'm from a third world country. And, you know, like, managed to through, literally the work of a village and support from a village, to end up here. I literally grew up in a mud hut with no running water, no electricity. The fact that I get to sit and have conversations with people like you, literally still blows my mind. But at its simplest, I'm someone who loves to share, I'm someone who loves to inspire possibility. Because as I said, my own life is one where I had possibility modeled to me by other people. And so I want to share that. And so I've created different platforms across the years where I love to inspire women in particular, but guys too, to really step into their power to really step into who they fully are.

Lesley Logan  

Okay, we have so much to talk about. But I do want to go to, back to when you're a little girl in Zimbabwe first, because I have not been there. But having, I have a love for Cambodia, which is also a third world country. And so when you, when you get to see people in the farms outside of there and you see how people live and like, that's how they live. And I see the community that they bring together. Y'all, when we do retreats there, there's this water village, and I said, "Oh, can we like... Can anyone build a house here on the water?" Because it's like, you know, like, "Is there real estate? Or like, do you just like, build your house?" And they said, the community, the village has to approve that you get to live here. You can't just have like a weekend house on the water, you fish and the whole community comes together and being able to see that, as you know, coming from a different world, is so enlightening. And also it makes me strive to have more to build those communities. But for you, you know, you said you had possibility modeled for you hat like... What was that? What were they modeling?

Sandra Chuma  

So here's the thing, and I love the story that you just shared about Cambodia, because it sounds so similar to how I was brought up. So where I was brought up, we have this it's a life philosophy that's called Ubuntu. And what that really speaks to is the fact that, "I am because you are, and you are because I am." And it really speaks to our connectedness. And so even though in my country and growing up, I didn't see you know, like wealthy people, I didn't see all of that... What was modeled for me was the possibility of being your best-self, the possibility of stepping into a bigger dream. You know, growing up my maternal grandmother never had an education. Smartest woman I knew, most beautiful and elegant - never had an education. She worked all of her life as a housemaid. And she though, even though she didn't have an education, she would only say to me, "You know, Sandra, one day, you're going to go abroad. And one day you're going to be educated. And one day, you're going to live in a house like the one that I work in," because she worked in a beautiful suburb with tree-lined streets and gorgeous houses. And even though she could never dream that for herself, she spoke that possibility into me. And what it taught me were a couple of things... The fact that you can do things based on someone's imagination and someone's dream for you. But it also told me the power of story. Because this was a story that growing up was told to me over and over and over again. And as a little girl, like, I didn't know where this overseas place was, like, I didn't know what she meant when she was talking about school and, you know, live in a house under tree-lined streets... because I'd never seen that. But her words created a story in my mind of what was possible. And it's one of the things too that made me want to go back to school - literally, when I was 40 - to go back to... and I went to journalism school, and I studied storytelling. Because, although at that point I hadn't made the connection necessarily that story is so powerful, I knew I loved story. And it was coming out of journalism school that I realized that what I really wanted to do wasn't to tell the stories of the news and so on, but really to help people understand that they have the power to create their own story.

Lesley Logan  

This is so beautiful. I wa, while you were telling your story about your, your, is your grandmother? (SANDRA: Yeah.) My, my grandmother, also, she, she had a lot of stories to tell us about we could be. And I think a lot of it was something that she wished for herself. And it wasn't that like, you, like, it wasn't like, "You should do..." like, told us exactly what to do... But it was that, you know, the whole idea was like, "life might not be the party we hope for but while we're here, you might as well dance." It's, like, something she wrote about and, and she really was like just... she would tell us stories about other people, other things that were possible. And, and it's true, because I didn't, you know - I didn't grow up in a mud hut - but I didn't grow up with like, you know, fancy houses, or even people in my life who went to college. Like, my mom didn't go to college until I was, you know, probably in junior high, I think. So just that wasn't something that I had seen modeled. But because people told me different things it allowed me to dream. So you know, this... what you're doing now is, is, like, helping people step into their power. I imagine it's a lot of the stories that we tell ourselves about how we don't have power. What, what do you, like, what is that thing that is keeping a lot of us from stepping into our power? Is it the story we tell ourselves?

Sandra Chuma  

I think it's a couple of things. I think you're absolutely right, that it is the story that we tell ourselves. And I think also in fairness to people, it's the story that society tells us and we live in a very consumerism society, which tells us, you'll be enough when you have... right? When you have the house, when you have the skinny pair of jeans, when you have, when you have... and, it's always this moving goalposts of, "You'll be happy when." And I think it also really comes from, ultimately I think at its most base, lack of self worth. Feeling that we're not worthy of having the life that we want, of being who we want to be, of chasing our dreams, because we've been told so much by society by, you know, people in our lives, who are well intentioned sometimes, that we're not worthy, that we're not deserving to be, to do, to have the life that we want. So I think those, for me fundamentally, based on all the women that I speak to, and all of the places that I've, you know, I've been, I think it comes down to our feelings of self worth, worthiness, and the stories that we tell ourselves.

Lesley Logan  

So I couldn't agree more how, so how did you come to want to talk about worthiness or even explore this? Because, you know, I feel like, everything happens in our life for a reason. So like, what was the impetus of you searching this out?

Sandra Chuma  

It was me feeling not worthy. And so where does that stem from? Like, now I do what I do in terms of coaching and building platforms that are really focused on uplifting inspiring women to, as I said, step into their version of their best selves. But growing up, so I had this possibility spoken into my life by you know, my grandmother, both my maternal and my paternal grandmother's always spoke like possibility. And my parents too, were really instrumental in saying that even though my circumstances showed otherwise, that I could be more. And then when I left, I guess, the safety of my, my community, my village and I went, I went to the UK to study, that's where I think I really started to feel this sense of "not enoughness." So there were a couple of things that happened for me... so, moving to the UK first of all so I was now in a new country, didn't know anybody. And then there was the the sense of me being "less than" because I came from a third world country. So, for years, for years, I didn't share that with anybody, that I was from Zimbabwe. You know, I, I am blessed to have gone to a school where, you know, I was schooled in British-English, so my accent could pass and people never, you know, didn't make the association, because I felt "less than." Because I was in this world that kind of, in the media, spoke about third world countries being "less than" because the way we're presented in media, at least in, back then, was begging bowls in hand, always. So that made me feel less than worthy. 

Sandra Chuma  

And then I started to chase my dreams. And I thought, again, back into the story that society tells us that, "Oh, I'll be enough when... I'll be enough when I have my degree. I'll be enough when I get my first job. I'll be enough when I make $50,000, $100,000. I'll be enough when..." And so I was always chasing this, "I'll be enough when." And what happened for me is, on paper... I remember a dear friend of mine said to me once she's like, "Oh my gosh, like, your life is so perfect." Like, on paper I looked amazing, you know, I had an amazing husband, an amazing family. We had reached a point where my husband and I had built a company. And in the space of really short time we grew that company into seven, and then eventually an eight figure company. So on paper, my life looked amazing. But I was incredibly unhappy. I was incredibly unhappy, because I was always chasing this, "I'm not enoughness. I'm not worthy." And this feeling of I guess, you know, like, "I'll be worthy when," and that really, ultimately, was what prompted me. My, my husband lovingly refers to it as my midlife crisis. I think it was a combination of being unhappy with what I was doing, and then turning 40. And I literally had like, and then I also at that point was diagnosed with adrenal fatigue, because I was working harder and harder and harder, because then I'll be happy. But also the, the hard work came from a place of wanting to fill the void, not wanting to be with myself, to face myself and see what it was that was making me unhappy. And so that kind of confluence of events led to me kind of crashing. And it was when I had the option... I remember... Now, for context, I am a germaphobe of ninja proportions, like I like, don't touch... And I found myself on my bathroom floor, crying. And so when you know when I'm on my bathroom floor, like. it's a crisis.

Lesley Logan  

Yeah, yeah, you're you've hit your you've hit your moment.

Sandra Chuma  

And it really was and it also came from a place of feeling incredible guilt. Because I felt like, okay, I've achieved all these things that, Gosh, my grandparents would have, like, I'm beyond their wildest dreams. So why am I not happy? And living this life that you know... I have cousins, who literally still live in mud huts with no running water, no electricity, who would give their right arm to live my life. So how can you not be happy?

Lesley Logan  

And that's, that had to be incredible, like a heavy, very heavy, like to carry that guilt, you know, because it's... But, there's a difference between ungrateful and unhappy, I think.

Sandra Chuma  

And you know what, I didn't realize that because to me, it was like, "Well, how can you not be happy? You have all the things that you could ever, more than you could ever have dreamed of." But it was that, I guess, crisis and that confluence of events. And it also kind of coincided within our company, having challenges in our company, that led to me really having a... "come to somebody" moment. And realized... 

Lesley Logan  

A "come to Sandra" moment.

Sandra Chuma  

So true! I had a "come to Sandra" moment where I realized that I've been chasing the wrong things all along. And the thing that made me happiest was helping other people. And it also went back to something my father, gosh, I'm getting all emotional here... My father died. It'll be two years, next month. And one of the things, growing up, even when we had nothing, what I saw my father and my mother model was giving. They always gave. And my father would say to me all the time he would say, "You know Sandra, to she who much is given, much is required," and he would say to me, "Your success will never mean anything unless you use it to help others, unless you use it to reach back and bring others with you." And I felt like, wow, I'm not really doing that. And so that, I mean, obviously, it wasn't like the heavens open and the angel saying and "ahhh" I had the answer, it took me a while to get there. That's when I realized that my purpose I had not been in my purpose, I'd not been chasing purpose, and so that, my purpose was really focused on what I do now.

Lesley Logan  

Um, I'm glad you figured that purpose out. And also you went to journalism school, but realize that that being a journalist wasn't necessarily going to help you bring others along. But it did help you tell story. And I, you know, I think, I think those big visions, those big moments, they are, like, they're so necessary for us to have something that we go towards. Because you can't wait for that to happen, you actually have to do actions to be there. So it really does keep you going, Well, when I have this, I'll feel like this. It's like, no, here's where we're going. Here's the North Star for this. And I was, I was in 2013/14, 2014, one of my clients bought a birth chart reader to, for my birthday. So I had a phone call with some guy who was like reading my birth chart, and I was like, whatever. Like, kind of like, I don't know, like, I don't know how to pour into this. But he said to me, he said, I'm looking at your chart, and you've gone as far as you can on your own. And I was like, "I'm so sorry, what?" He's like, "You can't go any further by yourself, you have to bring people along with you, if you want to go further." And he's like, "You're gonna need to partner up with people, you need to collaborate with people. You're gonna need a partner." I was single at the time, he's like, "You're gonna need a partner. So what are some opportunities you have right now where you could partner up with someone? How could you say yes to those?" And he had me starting to look for, okay, instead of like, I'll just do it myself. How can I like do this with others? And I'm so grateful for that moment, because it sounds very similar I can't be successful until I bring other people along. It's like this, like, you know, a lot of us think well, I'll just do it myself, or, you know, like that there's this like, thing of pride almost. And, and I totally agree with you. It's like, the success isn't worth it if there's not other people to share it with, you know? 

Sandra Chuma  

Yeah, it's about what's the meaning, you know, what is the meaning because I, especially now it's so, like you see it everywhere, you know, build your seven figure business and be an eight figure this and, and it's like, that's great, like, please, I love a good handbag and a good shoe. So please, the more money the better, but it's like, what is behind it? Are you just chasing? Because when you get there, and that was my experience, when you get there, if there's no bigger meaning than just getting the thing. It's really empty experience. And I think also, nowadays, we're so focused on the end goal, that we forget to enjoy the journey, that, that is not necessarily about getting there, that it's about the journey to getting done, what you go through and what you learn and who you become in the process of getting to the goal. I 100%, 1,000,000% even, think that we all should have goals. Absolutely! Because then otherwise, you're just wandering around someone,

Lesley Logan  

Well, someone else won't make sure their goals or your goals. Like, that's just the way the world works. You do have to have your own, but you do have to enjoy that journey.

Sandra Chuma  

You just enjoy the journey. And the goal has to have some meaning more than just, I'm chasing this goal because everybody else is, or I'm chasing this goal because I read somewhere... like, there has to be some bigger meaning for for what your goal is.

Lesley Logan  

Oh yeah, because there's gonna be days where you're like, this isn't working, it must not be worth it. Like, I'm hitting an obstacle. And I'm, you know, I believe that like obstacles, just show you how much you really want the thing because you either fight to get over that obstacle, through that obstacle, around it. Or you go, "Oh, this is actually too big of a hill to climb and I don't want to do it." So, you do have to have a meaning and a purpose behind each goal. I agree. I feel like, you know, a lot of people probably would go, "Yes, I'm supposed to enjoy this journey." But the how of enjoying the journey, I think, is where people get stuck. And I have been very conscious the last couple of weeks because we've been hitting some total roadblocks. Like everything is just delayed. I mean, like, you know, every time the phone rings I'm like, if it's disappointing, just like put it in email. I don't need to... I don't want to have... you know, I don't hear how your day was and then you tell me the disappointing thing. Just email it to me no pleasantries. Rip the bandaid off. But I've been like really forcing, like, "Okay, this is the end of my day." Yes, there's more work to be done. But I'm going to enjoy this crazy process, I'm going to go sit outside and read a book, I'm going to go for a walk, like I'm trying to... the way I'm enjoying my journey is, like, actually consciously leaving the work to go and enjoy the surroundings around me. I guess it's the same as my surroundings. So what are some ways that you, like enjoy the journey or, or enjoy the process?

Sandra Chuma  

I love what you just said about finding joy in everyday. It's one of the things you know, we're in the process of building an app for my platform. And it was one of the things that was so important to me that's driving our developers crazy, is I wanted this tracker to be included. And one of the things that I wanted included is for you to, every day, say, "What did I do that brought me joy?" One of the things that I found is, there would be days, maybe weeks where I didn't do anything that was fun, that brought me joy, just because, you know, I think we always feel like, Oh, we save the joy for the special occasions or the special days. And I also think that we sometimes think that - I love what you just said - we sometimes think that the joy has to be this big moment or this big thing. Just sitting out in the sunshine, you know, or biting into a juicy piece of fruit some moment where you're fully present, and it brings you joy. It's actually one of the you know, one of the things that I used to do is to keep a gratitude journal. And what I found was after a while, in all honesty, it got to be rote, you know, I was just like, "Okay, I gotta find five things to write down. Okay, just five things. Yes." And I wasn't adding... it became almost like a chore. And so I felt like, what can I do to kind of freshen it up? And it really was, "Okay, take away the number. Take away the need to, you know, how many things can I write down. Just even if it's one thing, what brought me joy? What can I truly be grateful for today?" And now, I'm not gonna be Pollyanna here and say, here every day, there's joy in my life, because there isn't, there's some days where it's just challenging, right? You're just up against, like you said, like a lot of things. And so sometimes it's reframing the question, and looking at, okay, what is this challenge here to teach me? Or how is this challenge here to help me grow? And I think that when you can look for - I know, sounds cliche - look for the silver lining. Because I feel like sometimes we look at challenges and failures as bad things. And yet, really, I feel almost like I - and this is something I'm still working on still a work in progress... It's almost like directors, right? It's almost like the flashlight showing you, "No, no, you're going the wrong way. No, no, this is the way, this other way." Because if you look back on some of the things, at least in my life, when I look back on some of the moments that were like, "Oh, my gosh, the worst thing that ever happened." Some, somewhere in that was a blessing. You know, I, I shared with you that my dad passed away two years ago, and I was speaking to a coach of mine when it happened. And he said, you know, what, what can you find? What positive can you find in this? And I literally said...

Lesley Logan  

I was like, "Um, I think this we didn't go tomorrow. 

Sandra Chuma  

I literally was like, "Excuse you! Like, did you just hear what I said to you?" (LESLEY: Yeah.) He said, "Go through this experience and look for things to be grateful for." And I'll tell you because I, first of all, I didn't want to hear that. But I was like, "Okay, fine." I went through that experience and I can tell you that I had the most... It was my dad's passing was sudden, it was very unexpected, completely unexpected. I had the most peaceful experience of his passing because I had this thought in my head of, "What can I be grateful for in this moment?" And, and, even in the hurt and the anger and all the feelings, I was able to find gratitude for a while. I got to be there for his funeral. I got to see cousins I hadn't seen in years. I got to, I looked for the things. It's hard. Like that, that was, it was a stretch... 

Lesley Logan  

That, I can't think of... there's very few things that I think could be harder to find joy or gratitude in. But as you talk about it all I'm picturing is like, of course it is one of like, the saddest thing, and there's so much there and as far as feelings go, but you actually got to probably be a little bit more present, because you were focused on the things that were good in that, from that situation, as opposed to, "This is the, this is the worst thing that could have ever happened." Like this, you were focusing on the, the other parts. And, and I do, I do think you're right like every day is not going to be the most joyous day of our lives. But the silver lining to me is not Pollyanna. It's more like, what do you want to focus on? And, you know, because what, what we focus on is what grows, and what expands, right. And so, you know, if we only focus on, "Well, this didn't happen today, and this didn't happen and this person in my life is sick," then we're not going to see like, how the world has been very creative and setting up things to make sure that we, we're getting closer to our purpose. And so I find that your coach is very brave person for saying that. 

Sandra Chuma  

My initial response was probably not PG-13 rated. 

Lesley Logan  

Thank you for sharing that story. I, I'm, I'm sure there are many people, you know, who can, as they listen to this, or if they don't need it, now we'll need it, you know, we all need that reminder.

Sandra Chuma  

And it's also, I mean, one of the things too, that, you know, in this journey that I've been on in terms of figuring out how can I be of service? How can I help others? How can I serve? One of the things that I did do is become a certified habits coach. And one of, what I learned is... all too often we think about habits of doing right, "Oh, I have a bad habit, I bite my nails. Oh, I have a," you know, whatever. And we also tend to think about bad habits. One of the things we don't ever actually think about is that our thoughts are habits, right? So if you're someone who immediately goes to the negative and the, "Well, this is a terrible thing." That's a habit of thought. It's literally a thought pattern of thinking you've repeated over and over again. And your brain just defaults to that. And so it really is a reprogramming, reframing your habit of thinking to, "Oh, okay, what can I be grateful for?" And sometimes, maybe you can't be grateful, you know, sometimes we're hurt, it's too much hurt for you to be grateful. And maybe reframe again, "What, what would be a slightly better feeling than what I'm feeling right now?" or, "How can I find some peace in this moment with what's going on right now?" It doesn't have to be like, "Yay, skippity scop, let's, you know, be happy." Because sometimes that's, that's not going to feel real. 

Sandra Chuma  

I'll share a story, a real quick story with you if I may. So my habits coach, who started, with through whom I was certified, his name is BJ Fogg. And he's probably one of the leading behavior design theorists, whatever, people who've studied behavior. He's actually the head of Stanford University's Behavior Design Institute. And he, you know, I was in his coaching program, and his sister is a director of the program, and she won't mind me sharing the story because she, she shares it publicly herself. And she talks about bad things happening. Like she had a child who died, she had a chronic illness, she had a husband, who was chronically ill and eventually passed away. They had to declare bankruptcy... like all all of these, (LESLEY: a tsunami. Just...) everything happened. And she said that for her, it was too much of a stretch to wake up and say, "Oh, today's gonna be a great day." She's like, "I couldn't because it just didn't feel real." And what she said is, instead, what she woke up every day and focused on was, "How can I make today a better day for one person? How can I find an opportunity to make somebody else's day better today?" And so she said, that was the thing that propelled me in the depths of my darkness was, "I'm just gonna look for one person that I can smile at today, or one person that I can say kind word to, one, just one person," because she said by making someone else feel better, it made her feel better, and it was more... It wasn't such a stretch to extend ourselves. And I think, especially as women because we're such nurturers and caregivers, that it is, it isn't a stretch for us, like, "How can I make it better for one person?"

Lesley Logan  

That is so beautiful because it It definitely she's not in denial of what's going on in her life. And I think that a lot of people think, "Oh, Sandra and Lesley, like, come on, if I'm always looking for the joy and things like I'm just in denial of like what is really happening around me," but she's like, fully aware. It's not like she's excited to get up and live another day dealing with illnesses. And the bankruptcy and all that comes with it. So instead she gave herself a, like it gave her a purpose and meaning to her day, and almost like something to go seek out. You know, as in like, and focus on and, and you're in a... You're right, it could just be smiling at a stranger, it could be making eye contact, it could be, you know, helping them with their groceries out of their car, like, didn't have to cost her significant time or money, but it gave her something to focus on that was outside of herself. And I think a lot of us that's really what it is, like, I think when we are too focused on ourselves, that's when we get a little bit like, you know, guilty and frustrated. And what a... thank you for sharing that story. I, you are an amazing habits coach. So I'm... your talk on habits is something I reference a lot. And I refer so many of my OPC members to because I say to them all the time, like, "You know, Sandra Touma said, like, you have to..." I just, it just starts off with that. Like Saundra Chuma... I'm just gonna have to have, like, a shirt that says that. If you want to make Pilates a regular part of your week, have like a daily practice 15/20 minutes, you cannot get upset at yourself when you miss your workout. Because the way our brain is designed, you're not going to go seek out a reason to go do that. So instead, I want you to celebrate that you've been thought about doing it, and physically pat yourself on the back, because she says that's gonna make it work. And so we are, when we do our consistency challenges anytime someone goes, "Oh, I didn't like... my day happened." I think my workout I'm like, "We must reframe that. You have to celebrate that you thought about it." And it they're, they're having so much fun. So, do you... How often... Is your app that you're doing about habits? Or what is it? Or is does it have habit building in it?

Sandra Chuma  

So my habit actually is, that I'm trying to help people ingrain, is the habit of... So there, there are six things that I love for people to do. Because in and of itself, the habit is, "How does it support what it is that you want to do?" So how do we make it a habit for you to do the thing, that is your goal. And so for me, it really starts from - one of the most important things is tracking, being able to track your progress. To the point that I said, as well as being able to track a gratitude, be gratitude, but also just your consistency. The fact that you did it the fact that you were in integrity with yourself. You know, one of my my favorite books, I don't have shares in his business, but I really should for how much I talk about his book is The Four Agreements by Don Miguel Ruiz. 

Lesley Logan  

Oh my God, can we all get shares? I mean, that book is like, it's like almost a solution to all problems, just go read those four agreements.

Sandra Chuma  

His four agreements are the best life advice that there is! And one of the agreements is, be impeccable with your word. And to the point that you said like, sometimes it is hard for us to be in integrity with ourselves, right to keep our promises to ourselves. But I think to the point that you said, and what I shared before, is, even if we actually didn't do the thing, the fact, whatever the thing was, to do the Pilates or to you know, ... eat healthy or to go to the gym, or whatever the habit is that we're trying to establish. The fact that we thought about it, the fact that it was even on our radar that, "Oh, I need to do that." That needs some acknowledgement, because at least you're thinking about it at least... You know, I, I recently - because I love getting certified in things, apparently - I recently got certified as a meditation teacher. And things that we talked about was the fact that the the power is not in the answer. But power is in the question. And in this case, when it comes to habit, it, the power might not necessarily be in the fact that, "Oh, I did end up you know, pulling out my mat and doing Pilates for 10 minutes," it's the fact that you even had the thought the fact that you're even considering making it a habit. That's progress! The fact that you want to be better, the fact that you want to do better. Now the next step is, "Okay, what do I need to do to make it easier for myself to do this thing?" And that literally is habits. So, to answer your question... the, the tracker and the whole platform is really about, what are all the things that really contribute to you stepping into whatever that version of yourself, that your extraordinary self, is, and it really starts with connecting with your why as we talked about, but then also having the habits, creating the habits to support you on your journey towards that why.

Lesley Logan  

So, where, what's the best place for people to, like, share their love for you. Are you... Are you mostly on Instagram? Or where can they find you?

Sandra Chuma  

I'm mostly on Instagram. Yes, you're right. So my handle on Instagram is @Sandra.Chuma, which people might not know how to spell that. So another easy platform to find me, which is actually the platform where I'm creating, Worthy, which is the platform that I'm all about right now and creating and helping women step into their most extraordinary lives... The handle for that on Instagram is @IAmWorthy.co. @IAmWorthy.co is the handle on Instagram. And that's the website address as well. So you can go there and find out all the things that we have going on, and app, and downloads, and all of this stuff.

Lesley Logan  

Okay, we'll have all that in the show notes. So it's really easy for people to click and go. Are... do you have a coaching program for people? Like, is that something you're working on a mastermind of any kind?

Sandra Chuma  

A membership. One of the things that I hear so often, and even within our community, was the fact that people wanted accountability. They wanted some sort of support system to keep them going. Because a lot of the times you know, I, put my hand up... I recently did - I'm so ashamed to admit this - I recently did an inventory. I was going through, like, all these courses that I bought, and I was like, "What course have I bought? What's the login." And I'm embarrassed to admit that there are courses I bought that I've never actually even logged in. (LESLEY: Yeah, I know!) Never logged into! And so that was one of the things is I was like, "How can I support women?" Yes, I can create a course and all that. But I really felt like even when I looked at myself, and when I've done the best in terms of achieving my goals and all of the things it was when I was in a community. And so that's what we're really creating is a community that's there for accountability. And that's there for community, that's there to cheer you on as you go on your way and giving you all the tools, the tips, the tricks, all of the things that I've learned as well as you know, I bring in guest experts as well. So it's all about a monthly membership that you can sign up for.

Lesley Logan  

I love that. You... both my communities have all the accountability. I'm like, "Oh we are taking the class away on Tuesday, so that you show up for yourself." And, you know, and people love that, like they need it. Otherwise, they sign up for memberships, and they, how many... before before COVID I don't even know the last time we logged into Netflix, because like, you know, you just, if it's, not... it's out of sight out of mind, you know? And so I love that. Okay. So we, I have, I always ask everyone this one question, what are top like one tip or three tips for people to prioritize themselves or so they can Be It Till They See It? 

Sandra Chuma  

Gosh, so um, first of all, I love the name of this podcast, because it's so true that sometimes you have to act as... one of the best lessons that I ever... just act act like it. So I actually have, I'm gonna cheat a little bit more than one is more than three. I've got six. (LESLEY: Here we go.) And I'll crank them out real quick. And here's why six. And I hope this will be an easy way for your listeners to remember this. So I created the platform Worthy, it's called worthy. And it's for a couple of reasons. Number one, because I wanted it to be a reminder of the fact that you are worthy to be, to do, to have, whatever it is that you want in your life. And the second reason that I called it Worthy is actually a mnemonic for six pillars that we share in the community that I teach about, which are all geared towards helping you step into your most extraordinary life and also geared towards you taking care of you. 

Sandra Chuma  

So the W is all about reconnecting with your why. Truly connecting with it. Head, heart hands, because a lot of the time I think we have had goals, but they're not really hard goals. Ensure that all of that is aligned. So W is all about connecting with your why. 

Sandra Chuma  

The O is all about owning the day. A lot of people have great intentions. They're not intentional about how they spend their time, how they go through their day actually consistently working towards their goals. So O is all about own your day.

Sandra Chuma  

The R is all about resting, reflecting and rewarding yourself, celebrating yourself. Because as we talked about, we're not so great at celebrating yourself. And funny enough, actually, as I was mentioning my mentor, BJ Fogg, and the research that they do about behavior. And he said that that is the thing consistently the highest number of people struggle with, celebrating themselves. (LESLEY: Yeah.) Isn't that sad? So the R isn't all about reflect, rest and reward. 

Sandra Chuma  

And then the T is all about tracking, because how do you know where are you going? How are you going, how you're doing if you're not tracking it in some way. 

Sandra Chuma  

The H is habits because you are everything you have. Everything you don't have in your life is because of your habits, the things that you consistently do. 

Sandra Chuma  

And then Y is all about you, and you understanding, believing in yourself and having the tools to help you understand why it's been challenging for you to achieve your goals in the past and how you move beyond that. So that's what Worthy stands for.

Lesley Logan  

Oh, my goodness. Okay. Best. That's amazing. Like, I mean, I've heard I've heard this from you before. And hearing them again. It's like, "Oh, yeah," and I was like, going, "Oh, good. I'm doing that. Oh, you know, that one I need to that one, I need to add into my day." Sandra, thank you so much for being here. I don't I'm gonna have to this again. Y'all please go check her out on Instagram. Check out @IAmWorthy.co on Instagram and her website. If you want more, please let her know. And then also do us a big favor, screenshot this put it on your Instagram, tag us both with your takeaway. Not only is it a great way to let Sandra know how amazing she is, but it also helps other people know why they need to listen to this because maybe they actually need to hear your takeaway as well. So, thank you for being here. I'm beyond grateful. And everyone, until next time, Be It Till You See It.

Lesley Logan  

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Brad Crowell  

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Brad Crowell  

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Today Brad & LL recap the great convo that Lesley had with Erika Quest from our last episode. We dug deeper into "System Two" thinking, when to work for free, smoke and mirrors, and constantly prioritizing yourself and your projects.

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In this episode you will learn about:

• System Two thinking

• Smoke and mirrors

• Constant prioritization and Agile

• When to work for free

Episode References/Links:

• Emotional Agility, Dr. Susan David

• Erika Quest's online platform

• Erika Quest on Instagram

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• Lesley Logan website
• Be It Till You See It Podcast
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• Online Pilates Classes by Lesley Logan on YouTube
• Profitable Pilates

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Episode Transcript:

Lesley Logan  

Welcome to the 'Be It Till You See It' podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained 1000s of people around the world. And the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self doubt. My friends, action brings clarity. And it's the antidote to fear. Each week my guests will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice not a perfect, let's get started.

Lesley Logan  

Welcome back to the Be It Till You See It interview recap where my co host in life Brad and I are going to dig into the epic conversation I had with Erika Quest. Last episode. Oh, yeah, that's right, I said Erika Quest everyone - herself in the flesh. Or, if you know the inside joke, we call her "Awareness." If you haven't yet listened to her on the interview, feel free to pause this now, go back, listen to that one and then come back and join us, or listen to this whole recap, decide what you want to do. Or if you're listening on iTunes, and they just show you this one, and then they show you the next one... whatever order you want to do is totally fine. 

Brad Crowell  

You know, it's all gravy.

Lesley Logan  

It's... thank goodness, it's not surgery so you can go out... any order you want. Okay, so y'all - so excited. Brad and I are a couple weeks away from our Agency MINI program, which is our seven day coaching program, online and it's for fitness business instructors. But anyone, in the service industry, you pretty much can join. We've had doulas we've had yoga instructors. We've had trainers, (BRAD: barre...)

Lesley Logan  

Barre instructors... 

Brad Crowell  

Pilates obviously... 

Brad Crowell  

Yes, we've had nutritionists. So yeah, anyways, Brad, can you tell us a little bit about why they may want to do Agency MINI?

Lesley Logan  

100%. First off, we have an ongoing coaching program for fitness business instructors, entrepreneurs, studio owners... doesn't matter what position you are in the world of fitness business, we work with people in your shoes. And this is (LESLEY: or not shoes, because maybe they don't wear shoes. Maybe...) Maybe it's, yeah. Maybe it's clogs, we work with people and your clogs... (LESLEY: in your crocs) in your crocs, (LESLEY: in your Pilates socks.) In your skis. There we go.

Lesley Logan  

I can't get, I can't beat that one. 

Brad Crowell  

Right. Okay, moving on. (LESLEY: So, anyway...) this seven day coaching program is a chance to get a taste of what the ongoing program is all about. You can come in and and get to know us, you can fall in love with Lesley, you can meet the community...

Lesley Logan  

they might fall in love with you too.

Brad Crowell  

I hope so! 

Lesley Logan  

Well, I do. Um, yeah, you can leave community we bring in our AGENCY members in there. This is again, it's a seven day program. We only run it twice a year. And so this is the last time around in 2021. (BRAD: Yes.) We hope you join us. You can actually get all the information at ProfitablePilates.com/mini which is M.I.N.I. 

Brad Crowell  

Yeah, and depending on when you hear this, you might be setting up for a waitlist. But if you do hear this before August, then when you go to ProfitablePilates.com/mini, you can actually sign up for the event. It's going to be the first week of August, this summer. So we hope you join us it's gonna be an incredible whirlwind of a week, you're gonna learn a ton.

Lesley Logan  

Yeah, cuz you asked we answer hundreds of questions in seven days. It's actually really fun. It's like, I don't I don't know what gamers do. But I feel like a gamer. Like I'm like, hold on. Let me put my blue blockers on. (BRAD: Oh, yes.) Where's all of the liquid supplements I'll need for today? Anyways, that's, I'm excited about that. That's what we're really focused on right now and working on behind the scenes. 

Brad Crowell  

Yeah, it's gonna be amazing.

Lesley Logan  

Okay, so, um, what was our audience question this week? Babe?

Brad Crowell  

We had a really interesting audience question this week. It was what did we do before we were running a Pilates company?

Lesley Logan  

Well, so that's interesting, because how far before? Because before you join me, I'm still running a Pilates company...

Brad Crowell  

That's kind of why I said it was interesting, because you've been at this game for a very long time. And I'm relatively new, although not really... cuz I was working with you, like, you know, behind the scenes, like in the background for a number of years before actually committing to working on this project. Which, I must say, is probably the coolest project that I've had a chance to work on.

Lesley Logan  

Well, thank you. And also yeah, basically, he just made me invoice him for work. And now... 

Brad Crowell  

I did I literally was like, "Okay, here's your invoice for the services I've rendered for your business."

Lesley Logan  

And then I was like, you know what would be really nice? If I didn't get all these bills, and I could just put you on payroll.

Brad Crowell  

Yeah... somehow... and we were already married too, so that's... how about that? Yeah.

Lesley Logan  

I don't know. So anyways, what did we do before that? Well, before, before Brad and I ran a company together, I ran all of my companies myself. But before that, if you really want to know, it's pretty, I think it's obvious if you look at me that I have a lot of jewelry. And I also have an obsession with purses that knows no depths... like, there is actually never enough of (BRAD: Yeah, I...) rose gold jewelry. So if you're sending me rose gold, or I will do yellow gold jewelry. And vintage designer handbags, I'm just putting that out there in case. (BRAD: She doesnt' need either.)

Lesley Logan  

I need... the need... It's never about need y'all. When it comes to those things it is, what, how do they make you feel? And they made me feel really good. So I used to manage jewelry stores.

Brad Crowell  

Amazing. What did you do? So uh, before, after the jewelry stores, you also worked corporate at a big fitness company. So I think that's worth throwing out there. Tons of experience, working in... managing, you know, a bunch of studios at the same time. (LESLEY: like, 9) Dealing with inadequate amount of space to make too much money in. Like all the crazy stories that you hear, you know, and then also you had teacher training program experience, all that kind of stuff.

Lesley Logan  

Yeah, my resume will never fit on one page. And so I will never update it ever again.

Brad Crowell  

I'm not gonna lie, you're not alone. I feel like it's a generational thing at this point. Like, the majority of us who are listening, I would imagine, like, didn't really have the opportunity to do one thing for their entire career. It's just not the how the world works today. In the same vein, I started off coming to LA for music. And then I got involved in startup companies right out of the gate, and did that for a long time. I worked for lots of startup companies. I worked in food. I served tables at fancy restaurants for many years. And that was kind of my lifeline, or at least that's what I told myself. And then finally started a web dev company with a friend of mine. And then you know, started a couple of other ventures before stepping away from all those things and then working full time with you.

Lesley Logan  

You know, so in case you can hear we like to leap a lot... we, we Be It Till You See It on a daily... 

Brad Crowell  

Yeah. And it's interesting. I, we were definitely doing that before we met each other. You know, I projected being a universal rock star into the space for, for a solid 15 years before we met... Took me out a whole new journey down there. But, But Being It Till You See It, it's, it's a fascinating idea. And we're excited about it here. 

Brad Crowell  

All right. Let's talk about Erika Quest. Okay, everyone, Erika Quest i...s she's basically a legend in real life. She is a college dropout, who managed 10s of millions of dollars in ad spend for massive companies, then chose the entrepreneurial path, owning her own Pilates studio for the past 18 years, while traveling the country and the world teaching workshops. And then she launched her own online space where she's part of creating change in the fitness industry. And dare I say it, paying people to be on her platform. She's a charismatic, enthusiastic leader - someone you just want to spend more time with - we're so excited to have her on our pod as a guest.

Lesley Logan  

I know!! So, y'all, this was a lot of fun. I don't know. Well, Brad can answer this, but, like, I was like, I feel like this might be one of those podcasts where it's like you're a fly on the wall. The conversation that she and I typically have on a daily basis which you know, we do talk a lot so hopefully you got a background on Erika in that podcast somewhere.

Brad Crowell  

No, there was a there was quite a history lesson there and lots of exploration of brain, like, she studies the brain... I mean, there's tons of things it was, like, it kept going.

Lesley Logan  

Yeah, anyways, she is one of my, like, older sisters that I never knew I always wanted. Mostly, because I think having sisters can be hard. Anyways, if you have sisters out there I have a sister. I love her. I love her. I love that she's listening. I'm sure my mom's listening so I'm gonna get a text message now. Anyways... One of... but I think it's nice when the universe gives you a sister you weren't asking for. 

Lesley Logan  

Okay. So one of the things I loved was her being willing to fail. And she's like, learns from it. So she used the word reps, I put in your reps, because she does do training and Bosu and stuff like that. And so, if you can think about like, when you go to the gym, you know, you're doing three sets of 15 like, you know, bicep curls, you don't go, "Uh God, I didn't make a perfect bicep curl. Guess I'm done." Like, you just do the reps until you're like, oh, that weight got lighter. So I really love that.

Brad Crowell  

Yeah, I think her application for that, what she's talking about, was about her entrepreneurialism, and also teaching, right? Because when she started to talk about when she was teaching workshops, but the application of what she was talking about with the idea of reps was not only doing the entrepreneurial thing, but also speaking. Like, workshops, coaching, she, she, she said, she has totally biffed it on stage and like, you know, done a really bad presentation, and all that stuff. And if you know her today, you'd be like, "What, that's impossible, no way!" But she was talking about the journey of getting to where she is and having to go through it. And whether that's you like teaching a client - whether you're a new teacher, or maybe you just open a studio - you are going to fail. And that's not a bad thing. That's actually where you learn. Failure creates tension. Tension is the stress... it actually helps you grow. It's a positive thing. When you know that you are going to fail before you get there. Right? So right now, don't be surprised. It's part of being your own business owner. It's part of life.

Lesley Logan  

I was gonna say, let's also say this is part of life. Like I know, I know, so many of you don't even run a business and you're like, what? It's like, even the first time you've changed a duvet cover you're like, "This is a hot mess!" And then you put the reps in and it gets better and better and better.

Brad Crowell  

I definitely had a duvet that's rectangular, but it looked square. And I put the cover on sideways. So there was like a foot of like floppiness at the end, and it tried to jam it... It just...

Lesley Logan  

Side note, I did that the other day. I was like, guess what, stay in that way.

Brad Crowell  

Yeah, I thought it was square... not square.

Lesley Logan  

Messy action... Alright, so what, well, now... what did you love?

Brad Crowell  

Okay, so this was interesting. I didn't really understand the full context of this, so... but, she talked about... She didn't reference the actual book, but it seems like there's a book by a doctor who talks about System One, System Two... And I believe there's even two more systems of thinking. And, so... 

Lesley Logan  

It's called Emotional Agility. And I forget the woman's name. 

Brad Crowell  

Dr. Susan. (LESLEY: Yes. Dr. Susan, something...) David? (LESLEY: Yes.) Dr. Susan David. (LESLEY: Yes.) And so she talked about this idea of System One thinking, which is like your guttural "how you feel right now," like, I want to X... I want to eat that, I want to drink this, I want to sleep, I want to whatever. System Two thinking, what I thought was interesting, what she, how she described it was... almost taking a pause before you engage with someone. So when somebody says something to you, internally processing it before the information comes out of your mouth, you know, going back to them. And you know, how does that, like, when they say something to you the System Two thinking is, how does that make me feel? Why does it make me feel this way? You know, what is my response? What should my response be? And then taking action on processing that information on that thinking.

Lesley Logan  

I feel like System Two thinking would save a lot, me a lot of money in therapy bills... Everybody, like if we all could just like pause, think it through, and then go... how much time we save in the whole life of like conversations, of backpedaling, and saying what you really meant, and like, why you said that, and having to share the entire System Two thinking with everybody. 

Brad Crowell  

Right. Yeah, you don't need to share the whole process. You can process it first. Then share. Yeah, look, I mean, I think we've all you know, had our own gaffes and said things that we wish we hadn't done, you know...

Lesley Logan  

Like daily, like, I think daily. But, maybe not. Maybe it's every other day. I've been working on this System One/System Two thinking. And I'm at the point where I'm going up that was System One. Oh, I'm just I'm labeling right now that's in the mindfulness worlds called label, I'm labeling.

Brad Crowell  

Well, I, I thought it was interesting because the application which with, with, which she was talking about System Two thinking was people who asked you to do something for free. And obviously, you heard with her platform, she's intentionally paying the people who come onto her platform, because she values their time and wants to really create change in the industry. However, she still is - sometimes - willing to do something for free. And that's based on the context of, of the request, right? And for her, that System Two thinking is understanding, "Is this scenario that I've been asked to participate in for free... Is it going to put me in front of other people who have, you know, an opportunity to create more change my life or growth?" Or whatever that might be? "Or is this someone just tried to take advantage of me?" Right? And I think, that idea of System Two thinking, get, you know, she processes all first before responding.

Lesley Logan  

Yeah, I was just talking to somebody about this on kind of a different level, but it was more of like, how does she know what to say yes or when to say no? And she's like, "Oh, well, people are asking, and I just, I feel like I should say yes. But then sometimes I'm like, 'Oh, I should have said no.'" And I was like, "Well, that's why you say - even with your calendar in your hand - let me check my calendar and get back to you tomorrow." Because my calendar is on my phone... But I love to say that because it lets me take a pause. (BRAD: Right.) And think about the thing I being asked to go to and actually think, "Am I saying 'yes' because I don't want to say no and hurt someone's feelings?" Am I saying yes because I really want to do it. Am I saying yes because I don't know how to say, "No," or, you know, there's all these different things. And so by taking that pause and giving yourself a pause, so I'll be reading that book. 

Brad Crowell  

Yeah. Don't worry, we'll put the link in the show notes. For sure. 

Brad Crowell  

All right, well, so finally, let's talk about the Be It actions that you discussed with Erika. What bold executable and trinsic or targeted action items, could we take away from your combo with her? I'm gonna jump right in, and... I think something she said was right up my alley, doing tech, being in tech and working off of a system called Agile. And I'm gonna, I'm gonna tell a little bit of a story here. First off, her Be It action item is constant prioritization. Okay, so constantly analyzing, you know, what takes precedence. What is priority today. And the story I'm going to tell about that is my very first startup company. In 2007, I was part of a startup, a social network, and we were trying to take down Facebook before it ever even started... or, no, Facebook was up and killing it, but we were trying to take it before they clinched the kingpin role. Anyway, we were, we had this grandiose plan of all the things that like, this is what a social network should be and is. And, and it was a crazy, we had like 20, or 30, or 40 different things. And we're like building all these modules, and all this fancy stuff, and doing all this stuff. And we never released any of it. And then when we finally released all of it, at the same time, people were like, "We don't even know what this is, we don't know what to do with it." And we spent like a year and a half, before we really truly, you know, started putting stuff out there. And it wasn't until after that idea that I learned about this concept of Agile tech development where you, you work in really short sprints - they call it - and you work in like a maybe a two week window even. And so your goal is to release the next bite-sized release, like chunks. So if it's like instead of 40 modules, you're releasing only one and you put that out there and you see how people deal with it, engage with it, they give you feedback, maybe if to make it better, maybe whatever. And then eventually you have built the whole, you know, elephant - we're going in reverse here... but... 

Lesley Logan  

It's, just so you know, that's about like, "How do you eat an elephant?" One bite at a time, for context. 

Brad Crowell  

Just going backwards. But, but anyway, constant prioritization. She talks about you know, how how her schedule works, she has built herself income streams, different income streams, and sometimes she has to talk about, you know, income stream A right now and then next week, okay, income stream A is now going to happen in four weeks. So today, what do I need to talk about today? And she's so she's consistently analyzing her... what she's talking about in her marketing and her messaging. And I thought that's so important for everyone to be doing in what they're up to.

Lesley Logan  

I, I'm glad you brought that up because I was coaching someone today. And, you know, she was talking about all the work she has to get done, but also housework and like the rug was crooked, and the bed isn't made and da da da. And I, and I said, you know, "When you look at your things that you have to do today, if they all are just in a list, then they all have this, like equal value, you really have to look at and go, like, why am I doing this right now? Like, why is this the most important thing to me?" And it could be because you're procrastinating on something, or avoiding something, (BRAD: I'm really good at that.) or fear of something, right? But like, by just doing that System Two thinking where you process the thing, then it keeps you from like, making the bed and taking out the trash, over and over and over again, without actually, just like, sending the email about the thing that you want to be doing.

Brad Crowell  

Right. Yeah. (LESLEY: Cool.) That's right. All right. Well, what about you?

Lesley Logan  

My biggest takeaway, of course, was the smoke and mirrors. So... of course it was! So, I know a lot of people like, sometimes it's scary to dream big, or just feels like a lot. And the reality is, is like you have to, you have to like put out in the universe, what you want to be doing. So if you want to be working out five days a week at the gym, doesn't mean that you like to have to start from zero to five, you just go I'm going to work out five days a week at the gym, and some goes, Oh, you're doing next week? Oh, I've got five workouts planned. Like, right, you're just you keep saying the thing. And... (BRAD: speaking it.) speaking into existence, it's Be It Till You See It, yo. And I, I really, I think it's really easy for us to say we're gonna do something and then like all the different reasons. But like, even this podcast, we would go around for months, like, "Oh, we're putting a podcast together." I didn't have a link for an interview... 

Brad Crowell  

Months is, uh... (LESLEY: years?) Months is nice. I'm pretty sure it was years.

Lesley Logan  

Years. "We're doing a podcast, we have a podcast," and...

Brad Crowell  

Podcast is comin'!

Lesley Logan  

It's coming! And, and so I really, I really love this because the truth is, is that nothing is ever ready. This podcast, even with an extra month wasn't ready. Like we are, you know, like it's, it's, you're not, you're not lying, but you actually do the work. But you just have to do the smallest part of it. You don't have to take it all on. You don't have to wait for it to be ready for it to be real. So that was, I just really love. I love the, love the verbalizing it. I'm a verbal processors, so obviously I love that.

Brad Crowell  

Well, I was also laughing because it is like directly Be It Till You See It. 

Lesley Logan  

Well, I mean, I (BRAD: It's literally that.) I totally bring people on to talk about how they're Being It Till They See It. Just so you know.

Brad Crowell  

Yeah. So and she's, she, she was sharing a story about launching her online platform. And she's, you know, she knew it was happening. It was a concept that she knew she was going to roll out. And so she started talking about it before it was available in the same way. I know the two of you just recently wrapped a course that she put out together. It was a month long program...

Lesley Logan  

People can get it. 

Brad Crowell  

People can get it. Yeah. I'm all about that. It's, it was actually an incredible response to that program. But the, the reality is it took... it was like a year of prep, planning, thinking, speaking it into existence, before it ever actually came about. And that was her whole idea of, of smoke and mirrors. And not in a snake-oil, weird way, but in the sense of like, like, you know, you're gonna make it happen, it's just not there right now. And that's okay!

Lesley Logan  

Yeah, it's really okay. And it's, we did plan that for over a year. And then it only took a month, was a month long course, but a year of prep. We just kept speaking about it, and what was so cool is that when we actually launched, people were like, "Of course, they're doing this, this is the thing that they said they were doing."

Brad Crowell  

Everybody knew was coming. 

Lesley Logan  

Everyone knew it was coming. So um, so I hope. I hope everyone takes a moment today to like, sit down and think about what you want in your life and just tell someone, "Guess what I'm working on right now?" Oh, I have this other thing I want to say - hold on - about the course. So here's the thing. Okay, I have a friend who actually knew Gabby Bernstein before she was like, known as Gabby Bernstein. So for those of you who are in the spiritual wellness help, like self help stuff, you are very familiar with Miss Gabby. So anyways, this girl, Gabby, literally Gabby, would tell everyone, "I'm going to meet Oprah one day." "I'm actually," they're like, "Oh, what are you working on?" "Oh, I'm working on this project so that I can meet Oprah. Oprah and I are gonna talk about this project." She just kept telling every single person she was gonna freakin meet Oprah Winfrey. Homegirl has been on Oprah Winfrey's Show. She... Oprah Winfrey talks about her a lot. Like, they are two peas in a pod. And another example of of Gabby, this is how she talked to everyone. She was at Bloomingdale's looking at bedding which bedding at Bloomingdale's is like beautiful and no one buys it right? And she, this, the salesperson comes up and she's like, "Oh, can I help you with this?" And she's like, "Actually, I'm going to buy this soon. I'm gonna make enough money to buy all of this. Thank you!" And she's like, "I'll let you know when I'm ready." And she would just walk off. But she would go to places. And she would look at the things that she wanted to have. And she would look, like, she would speak what she wanted to existence. And homegirl is Gabby Bernstein with that bedding from Bloomingdale's, and friends with Oprah. So that is my like, I just feel like that's such an, and that comes from someone who knew her when. So it's true.

Brad Crowell  

Yeah, I think that the first person that you have to convince is yourself. Oh, yeah. And it's so hard to convince yourself when it's all in your head. And I know that because I'm an, I'm an analyzer. So it's really easy for it to all be upstairs. And "speaking it" is very foreign to me, it's a it's a little awkward sometimes. In fact, there's a lot of fear when I start to tell people... Like I'm proclaiming something, like, it's, you know, that's a weird, like, that's the weird vibe that I'm bringing to it. But having now in... be..., you know, began to incorporate speaking into my, my life, my world, it is... It allows things to be so much more clear in my own head, which is this weird irony, right? But when I know that this is, this is how it's gonna be and this is what's gonna happen it changes my own thinking.

Lesley Logan  

Well, you know, here's the thing. The reasons that like human beings survived the evolutionary process of them was our ability to storytell. So we didn't become like, we didn't get to stick around this planet by keeping it all in our head. We, we stuck around and we grew, and we thrived, because we would tell a story. So even if you're telling yourself the story of who you're going to be, or what you're gonna do, like, that's how it happens.

Brad Crowell  

Well, I love it. I mean, just listening to Erika is so inspiring. And like I said at the beginning, we're so excited that she was able to join us and grateful for her and her enthusiasm for life.

Lesley Logan  

I know everyday, Erika, everyday.

Brad Crowell  

Yeah.

Lesley Logan  

All right. Well, I'm Lesley Logan.

Brad Crowell  

And I'm Brad Crowell.

Lesley Logan  

Thank you so much for joining us today. We're really grateful you're here. How are you going to use these tips? Like, listening to this episode, the word straight out of Erika's mouth, like, how are you going to use them? What we'd love for you to do is screenshot this, write your takeaway in there, tag Erika Quest, tag Be_It_Pod. And let us know. And also, if you can, share this episode directly with a friend. Text them, tell them they have to listen to it saying, "This is why I thought of you." That's really important so that they understand that it's important and, and not only will it change their life - will help them Be it Till They See It - it really helps this podcast get out to many, many, many more ears because I got big dreams for it, which I'll explain on another pod. All right, until next time, everyone, Be It Till You See It. 

Lesley Logan  

That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be_It_Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It Till You See It. Have an awesome day. 

Lesley Logan  

Be It Till You See It as a production of As the Crows Fly Media.

Brad Crowell  

It's written, produced, filmed and recorded by your host Lesley Logan and me, Brad Crowell.

Lesley Logan  

Kevin and Bel at Disenyo handle all of our audio editing and some social media content.

Brad Crowell  

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Lesley Logan  

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Lesley Logan  

And to Meridith Crowell for keeping us all on point and on time.

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In this episode you will learn about:

• How to set boundaries for yourself
• Should you work or teach for free?
• People want conversations, they don’t want campaigns
• How do you decide to engage with someone who asks something of you?
• System 1 vs System 2 thinking
• Should you be taking your clothes off and jumping around on said piece of fitness equipment?
• Brain health
• Being willing to fail, and learning from it - doing your “reps”
• Constant prioritization
• Smoke and mirrors

References/Links:

• Dr. Susan David, “Emotional Agility: Get Unstuck, Embrace Change, and Thrive in Work and Life”
• Brain-derived neurotrophic factor (BDNF)
• Level Up MVMT

Erika Quest's Bio:

I used to sell cheeseburgers, true story…As a self-proclaimed “Certified La Pistola” I’ve been in the international fitness, wellness and Pilates education business for over 16 years travelling and speaking worldwide. I help instructors Level Up their programming, movement and coaching skills through creative curriculum development, research backed strategies and user-friendly plug and play formats.Find me worldwide and virtual as premier presenter at many fitness and wellness conferences including Pilates on Tour, Pilates Method Alliance, IDEA®, ACSM, SCW, AFC, Pilates in Asia and many more.And yes, I’m a former corporate marketer who specialized in fast food clients and I left the biz and took a BIG LEAP into studio ownership, freelance marketing and much more in 2005. My joy is creating community, championing and supporting others and delivering my passion of Pilates and integrated movement. NCPT Certified, Balanced Body® Master Instructor, FAI Trained, BASI™ Graduate, BOSU Elite Master Trainer.

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