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From Lisbon, Portugal, Brian "Ponch" Rivera sits down with Sonja Blignaut to discuss her upcoming talk at the World Agility Forum.

Sonja shares her process of preparing for the talk and the challenges of navigating complexity in the Agile world. They also delve into the importance of embracing complexity instead of viewing it as a problem to be solved. Sonja shares her insights from her visit to the John Boyd archives and how it has influenced her understanding of perception and wayfinding.

Sonja is the founder of More Beyond and co-founder of ComplexityFit. She is also the ex-CEO of Cognitive Edge (now The Cynefin Co). She is a globally sought-after teacher and speaker on topics related to Complexity, Cynefin, Waysfinding, and enabling Future- and Complexity Fitness.

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John R. Boyd's Conceptual Spiral was originally titled No Way Out. In his own words: 

“There is no way out unless we can eliminate the features just cited. Since we don’t know how to do this, we must continue the whirl of reorientation…”

March 25, 2025

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