Behavioral Grooves Podcast

What does it really take to change a habit? Charles Duhigg, journalist and author of The Power of Habit, joins us to explore how our understanding of habits has evolved and why lasting change may start with changing how we see ourselves. From the “habit window” and keystone habits to habit chaining and identity shifts, we challenge long-held assumptions about willpower and explore how small changes in behavior and perspective can lead to lasting transformation.

[0:00] The Food Noise and GLP-1s

[10:47] Speed Round with Charles Duhigg

[16:50] The Habit Loop: What We Get Right and Wrong

[22:34] The Hidden Cues Behind Our Habits

[27:23] Keystone Habits, Habit Chaining, and Identity

[35:51] Temptation Bundling and Making Habits Easier

[40:07] How GLP-1 Medications Change Our Relationship With Willpower

[49:02] Why Researchers Should Work With Businesses

[55:09] Desert Island Music: The Beatles vs. The Rolling Stones

[59:34] Groove Session: Why Your Actions Shape Your Identity

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The Power of Habit by Charles Duhigg

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The Beatles - A Hard Day’s Night

The Rolling Stones - Beast of Burden

Have we misunderstood two of psychology’s most famous experiments? We revisit the Stanford Prison Experiment and the Robbers Cave experiment with science historians Thibault Le Texier and Gina Perry, who uncovered a much messier story behind the research we learned about in school. What can these experiments actually tell us about human behavior, and what happens when researchers become more invested in a specific conclusion than challenging their own assumptions?

[0:00] Two Famous Experiments, One Bigger Problem

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Investigating the Stanford Prison Experiment: History of a Lie by Thibault Le Texier

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Why do we do what we do? Behavioral Grooves explores the science of human behavior with researchers, authors, and thinkers who help us make sense of ourselves, each other, and the world around us.

Horse meat, kidneys, prostitution. What happens when the things people want to buy, sell, and trade collide with what society has deemed “off-limits”? Nobel Prize-winning economist Alvin “Al” Roth joins us to explore the behavioral science behind controversial markets, from repugnance and social norms to black markets, incentives, and informed consent. We also dig into his work redesigning the kidney exchange market and how asking a different question can open up new possibilities for solving seemingly impossible problems.

[0:00] Intro and Speed Round with Alvin “Al” Roth

[9:21] What Is a Market?

[13:10] Repugnance vs. Disgust

[20:00] How Social Norms Shape Markets and Morality

[24:12] Do Laws Change Morality, or Does Morality Change Laws?

[28:25] Drugs, Hitmen, and the Social Support Behind a Ban

[34:23] Rethinking the Market for Prostitution

[38:12] Can Money Be Coercive?

[46:12] Redesigning Kidney Donation With Incentives

[50:42] What Do We Do When the Data Can't Change Minds?

[52:47] “Ought Implies Can” and the Limits of Moral Rules

[1:03:05] Grooving Session: What We Learned From Al Roth

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Leonard Cohen - I’m Your Man

What happens when behavioral science leaves the classroom and enters the real world? In this special episode, we explore the past and future of the Behavioral Science & Policy Association with founders Sim Sitkin and Craig Fox and incoming leader Crystal Hall. We talk about bridging the gap between research and practice, the growing importance of interdisciplinary behavioral science, and why understanding the human side of AI may be one of the field's biggest opportunities.

[0:00] What Is the Behavioral Science & Policy Association?

[7:45] BSPA's First Big Breakthroughs

[12:12] How BSPA Helped Legitimize Applied Behavioral Science

[17:14] What AI Gets Wrong About Behavioral Science

[25:06] The Next Frontier for Behavioral Science

[32:34] Why Behavioral Science Is at a Critical Moment

[42:19] What AI Means for Behavioral Science

[46:20] A New Vision for BSPA

[49:10] How to Get Involved With BSPA

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What if work didn’t have to be something we simply “get through” five days a week? This week, we sit down with Bree Groff, author of Today Was Fun, to explore how small changes in the way we interact, communicate, and lead can make work more human and mostly fun, most days. We talk about work-life balance, chronic overwork, psychological safety, AI, and the importance of protecting the relationships, health, creativity, and small moments of joy that make our lives meaningful.

[0:00] Intro and Speed Round with Bree Groff

[9:45] Treat your brain like a Stradivarius

[13:18] Why this isn't a typical business book

[19:52] The five-minute check-in

[27:41] The benefits of psychological safety and cognitive offloading

[30:55] The hidden cost of chronic overwork

[36:16] Why “love what you do” is an exhausting goal

[43:09] Why work should be mostly fun, most days

[49:07] The truth about AI at work

[53:45] What happens when we outsource thinking?

[54:37] Bree's writing soundtrack

[59:45] Grooving Session: Making work fun

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Today was Fun by Bree Groff

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Qveen Herby - The Fool

This week, Dr. Jeremy Pollack joins us to explore the neuroscience of conflict, trust, mistakes, uncertainty, and psychological safety. We discuss how these obstacles and miscommunications can affect our work environments, what to do when you notice them, and how to build healthier teams by breaking old conflict patterns before they start.

Topics

[0:00] Intro and Speed Round with Jeremy Pollack

[9:20] Can our brains rewire conflict patterns?

[14:21] The neuroscience behind conflict resolution

[19:50] How organizational systems can fuel conflict

[32:32] Creating psychological safety at work

[38:55] Why our brains crave certainty

[42:09] How to rewire the nervous system after trauma

[49:04] Desert Island Music Picks

[50:36] Grooving Session: Self-regulation techniques for leaders

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About Jeremy

Wired for Peace by Jeremy Pollack, Ph.D.

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Phish - Sample in a Jar

Disagreements are inevitable, but they don’t have to become conflicts. Harvard Kennedy School professor Julia Minson joins us to explore why we struggle to see perspectives different from our own and how openness, curiosity, and humility can lead to more productive conversations. We also get practical strategies for navigating difficult conversations, from asking better questions to understanding what we actually know versus what we’re simply assuming.

[0:00] Introduction and Speed Round with Julia Minson

[6:16] Does Feeling Heard Make Us More Receptive?

[19:23] Why Context Matters in Conflict

[21:13] What Is Naive Realism?

[37:37] Why Receptiveness Isn't Weakness

[42:00] What Is "Boomer Asking"?

[44:39] How to Start a Difficult Conversation

[47:23] What Do You Actually Know?

[49:30] Asking Better Questions

[51:12] Are You Actually Being Curious?

[52:30] Using Notes to Have Better Conversations

[57:19] Grooving Session: Practical Tips for Better Disagreements

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How to Disagree Better by Julia Minson

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Noah Kahan - The Great Divide

What if constraints could actually make us more creative? This week, we use behavioral science to explore how limits on our time, resources, and choices can focus our attention, spark creativity, and help us make better decisions. With author David Epstein, we look at how creatives like Bach and Dr. Seuss used constraints to generate new ideas, and how identifying bottlenecks at work can help us focus on the problems that matter most. We’ll also share practical ways to embrace constraints, think differently, and get more done.

[0:00] Intro and speed round with David Epstein

[15:00] Choice overload and endless options

[22:31] How constraints can unlock creativity 

[29:53] Innovation and limitations

[36:14] Great thinkers and the obstacles that met them

[43:55] The Green Eggs and Ham Effect

[51:10] AI and creativity

[59:40] Finding the Bottleneck

[1:04:02] Knowing your own constraints

[1:11:13] Bach: the maestro of constraint

[1:18:43] Grooving Session: Exploring the power of constraints

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About David Epstein

Inside the Box: How Constraints Make Us Better

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London Grammar - Hey Now

What happens when we enter a conversation with someone we assume is different from us? Social psychologist Claude Steele argues that the tension and nerves we feel may have less to do with prejudice than we think. In his new book, Churn, Claude explores how identity threats can affect our performance and relationships, why we fear being misjudged, and how empathy, listening, and understanding can help reduce that tension and foster trust. We discuss why context matters, how our attitudes can follow our behavior, and why “colorblindness” can make it harder to understand another person’s experience.

[0:00] Introduction and Speed Round with Claude Steele

[11:28] Does attitude follow behavior?

[15:02] What exactly is “churn”?

[20:12] The fear of being stereotyped

[30:21] Trust as the antidote to tension

[35:31] Can you really be “colorblind?”

[47:48] Barack Obama and the cross-identity bridge to understanding

[53:40] Why you need to look at circumstances

[1:01:58] Desert Island Music

[1:07:05] Grooving Session: Why our brains churn

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Churn: The Tension That Divides Us and How to Overcome It

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Stevie Wonder - Don’t You Worry ‘Bout A Thing