Things we talked about:

• The way multi-faceted careers can feel piecemeal (especially if parenting is added into the mix), or “like I’m doing five different jobs at once”
• Factoring in time to play as well as work
• Exploring your home town like a holiday destination
• Taking things home from real holidays that you might not expect (like appreciating the simple things, family meals, all your possessions in one suitcase)
• Avoiding habits of consuming everything and creating nothing
• Making connections on Twitter (Lisa says, “I engage with people because I love it”)
• Pondering the idea that the Internet means we don’t get bored any more, and what that means
• On making things happen (Lisa was waiting for a radio job offer but it didn’t come, so she started a podcast)
• “People say you’re brave putting yourself out there, but I’m more afraid of not doing it”
• The importance of perseverance, and regularly doing the thing you fear (until you don’t fear it any more)
• We had a frank conversation about money. Despite living an outwardly glamorous life, Lisa says, “I don’t earn enough”
• Becoming an “accidental landlady”: her unexpected foray into property investment to build financial security
• We talked about the way women often hide our realities, keeping everything from messy kitchens to miscarriage behind closed doors
• Everything has to start with just two views. Even the most viral video of all time had only two views at some point.
• And finally, the possibly-surprising-but-then-probably-not location that Lisa chose when I asked her about her favourite place in the whole world

Where to find Lisa:

• On Twitter she's @lfnand
• On Instagram she's @lisafrancesca_nand and @thebigtravelpodcast
• Her podcast: The Big Travel Podcast

The meditation app Sara mentioned:

• Waking Up

Where to find Sara:

• Sara on Substack
• Sara’s website: meandorla.co.uk
• Sara's charity Christmas cards
• Me and Orla 2023 Calendar
• Sara on Instagram: @me_and_orla
• Sara on Twitter: @meandorla
• One to one business coaching with Sara
• The Insta Retreat

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