Journalist and author Elizabeth Day joins me this week, to talk about her fear of being alienated. You may already know her from her podcast How To Fail: Everything I’ve Ever Learned From Things Going Wrong, which is a celebration of the things that haven't gone right. We talk about the links between fear and failure, and how important human connection and a sense of understanding is to her. This episode was recorded before the coronavirus out break, so Elizabeth and I recorded a little update at the end, so we could reflect on what impact the current situation has had on her fear.

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