The delightful Ben Siemon is here to chat with Matt and Dave about murder podcasts, The White Lotus, Enlightenment, Hacks, Dave, Crazy Ex-Girlfriend, being a theater kid, commercial audition horror stories, social media algorithms, Michelle Branch, Vanessa Carlton, Britney Spears, slime ball Matt Gaetz, how Ben met his husband Justin, the story of their elopement, the future of improv shows and theaters, deciding whether or not to have kids, and Ben's new cats.