Today's interview is a discussion of an impossibly difficult topic – losing a child to suicide. September marks National Suicide Prevention Month, and our guest is Betsy Thibaut Stephenson who discusses the many layers of moving forward after you lose a child. She shares how her 21-year-old son Charlie called her just 11 weeks before he took his own life. There were no warning signs prior to that. She recognized he was in distress during that phone call. Betsy immediately got on a plane and flew to Texas where he was living as a college student, ready to start his senior year. She stayed with him for a week. He admitted that he found a therapist and told no one else. He was trying to handle things alone. After Betsy left, Charlie came home several times. He was in college, working, exercising, hanging out with friends, and always with people. He promised that he was doing fine. Then, late one night, he took his life. She had seen him just 3 weeks prior. His demeanor was good. He visited with friends and former teachers during that trip home. There were no additional warning signs. Since Charlie's death, Betsy realized that she had underestimated how anxiety-filled his life may have been. She learned that when you are a teenager and into your early 20s, your brain is still not fully formed. Your brain cannot yet see all of the consequences of your actions. Betsy talked about suffering with depression off and on for many years. She openly talks about going to therapy and how depression is so powerful. It can override our basic, innate power to survive. She asks us to take it very seriously. Betsy is a veteran crisis communications expert based in Washington, DC. Rather than being consumed by grief, Betsy chose to meet it head-on, emerging with a mission to spark more honest conversations around mental health, grief, and loss. Her new memoir, "Blackbird: A Mother's Reflections on Grief, Loss, and Life After Suicide" is a brutally honest and beautifully written account of how she continues living—and loving—after the worst kind of loss. It's a story meant to help others feel less alone. Info: www.blackbirdbetsy.com This is Part 1 of the interview. If you or a loved one is experiencing thoughts of suicide, self-harm, or crisis, pls CALL OR TEXT 988. You will be able to talk confidentially, for free, with a trained crisis counselor, 24 hours a day, 7 days a week.