In our first installment of the Zeitcast Down Under, we join our mate Jarrod McKenna in Perth—co-founder of First Home Project, co-founder of Love Makes a Way movement, Founding CEO of Common Grace Australia, & award-winning peace activist—for a conversation on why decolonization & not just deconstruction is necessary. In a sprawling, moving dialogue, we explore the “pig powers & dog domination” in Jesus’ time & our own, & reflect on a powerful experience we had with Noongar elder Uncle Tom Elder.

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Edited and produced by Reese Black