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BI 086 Ken Stanley: Open-Endedness


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Ken and I discuss open-endedness, the pursuit of ambitious goals by seeking novelty and interesting products instead of advancing directly toward defined objectives. We talk about evolution as a prime example of an open-ended system that has produced astounding organisms, Ken relates how open-endedness could help advance artificial intelligence and neuroscience, and we discuss a range of topics related to the general concept of open-endedness, and Ken takes a couple questions from Stefan Leijnen and Melanie Mitchell.

Related:

  • Ken's website.
  • Twitter: @kenneth0stanley.
  • The book:
    • Why Greatness Cannot Be Planned: The Myth of the Objective by Kenneth Stanley and Joel Lehman.
  • Papers:
    • Evolving Neural Networks Through Augmenting Topologies (2002)
    • Minimal Criterion Coevolution: A New Approach to Open-Ended Search

Some key take-aways:

  • Many of the best inventions were not the result of trying to achieve a specific objective.
  • Open-endedness is the pursuit of ambitious advances without a clearly defined objective.
  • Evolution is a quintessential example of an open-ended process: it produces a vast array of complex beings by searching the space of possible organisms, constrained by the environment, survival, and reproduction.
  • Perhaps the key to developing artificial general intelligence is by following an open-ended path rather that pursing objectives (solving the same old benchmark tasks, etc.).

0:00 - Intro

3:46 - Skip Intro
4:30 - Evolution as an Open-ended process
8:25 - Why Greatness Cannot Be Planned
20:46 - Open-endedness in AI
29:35 - Constraints vs. objectives
36:26 - The adjacent possible
41:22 - Serendipity
44:33 - Stefan Leijnen question
53:11 - Melanie Mitchell question
1:00:32 - Efficiency
1:02:13 - Gentle Earth
1:05:25 - Learning vs. evolution
1:10:53 - AGI
1:14:06 - Neuroscience, AI, and open-endedness
1:26:06 - Open AI

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