Seamus Rocca is the CEO of Xapo Bank. In this conversation, we dig into the real-world data behind Bitcoin adoption — why it looks very different from the popular narratives, who is actually using bitcoin, which geographies are driving growth, and how ETFs and corporate treasuries are reshaping demand. He also shares the surprising areas where bitcoin products may take off next.

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Timestamps:

• 0:00 — Intro

• 2:04 — Why older people are now adopting bitcoin

• 6:58 — Why bitcoin adoption differs across regions

• 11:02 — What is the Xapo Vault & how does the security work?

• 14:55 — Have Bitcoin ETFs helped or hurt Xapo?

• 17:40 — The overlooked impact of Wences Casares

• 20:15 — Bitcoin treasury companies & new financial engineering

• 23:16 — What Xapo must do to win in 2026

• 26:27 — What’s the next big bitcoin product?