Beyond the Pledge is a limited podcast series, in partnership with R/GA and the 4A’s, that spotlights a variety of people with different perspectives on the current state of diversity, equity, and inclusion—and the work we still have left to do. Their tough and honest conversations will tear down myths and identify actionable ways in which we can hold brands and agencies accountable. Listeners will be equipped with the inspiration and knowledge needed to make critical, long-term and meaningful changes.

On this episode, Beyond the Pledge series host, Jai Tedeschi, chats with Tony Effik, founder of Black and Brilliant, about the true meaning of being an ally to your BIPOC colleagues.

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