Bill Wallis went to work at 13 to help his family. He served in the 101st Airborne, came home, and bought a single gas station in Cuba, Missouri in 1968. Today Wallis Companies runs 67 stores, a 42 truck bulk fleet moving 120 loads a day, and employs around 1,400 people. In this episode, Matt and Alan take us inside the fuel hauling world most truckers never see: the predictive dispatch tech, the back to back state safety awards, why their turnover is almost zero, and the tribute show truck they built for Bill called "Blue Collar Roots."

CHAPTERS

0:00 Intro: Meet Matt and Alan

0:41 From a K9 trainer and a livestock hauler to Wallis

5:18 How Bill Wallis started it all in 1968

8:34 One gas station to 67 stores and 1,400 employees

12:40 The Covid pivot into ag hauling (and finding BulkLoads)

15:10 Inside the fleet: 42 trucks running 24/7

18:26 Where the fuel actually comes from

19:13 The art of maximizing every load

21:13 What keeps them up at night

25:37 Three generations of a family run company

32:30 Hauling hazmat: the safety culture

34:23 Winning the state fleet safety award twice

38:38 "Blue Collar Roots": the tribute show truck

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Rob and Kate have been together since high school. Years ago they took over the family farm and trucking operation, doubled the business, and then watched 2025 turn into the hardest year of their lives.

In this episode they get honest about what it actually takes to run a trucking company as a husband and wife team. The 16-hour days through the freight recession. The financial calls that kept them up at night. The hardest decision they ever had to make. And how they protected their marriage and their kids while fighting to keep the trucks moving.

If you run a fleet, drive for one, or you are trying to survive this market alongside the people you love, this conversation is going to hit home.

Chapters

00:00 A Different Company Than the Last Time We Talked

01:51 Building Trucking Jobs Young Families Actually Want

02:50 Why Kate Walked Away From Her Career

05:39 Cutting Costs by Bringing Everything In-House

08:00 How They Doubled the Business in 5 Years

09:14 "2025 Was a Bloodbath"

09:34 When the Freight Recession Followed Them Home

10:52 The Support That Got Them Through the Worst Year

13:23 Trauma Bonding and Mental Health in Trucking

15:40 Yin and Yang: How Two Opposites Run a Company

17:21 "I Haven't Seen Our Bank Account in 5 Years"

17:53 Why Rob Has to Pitch His Own Wife to Buy a Truck

22:15 "I Have a Name": More Than the Owner's Wife

22:46 The Hardest Call They Ever Had to Make

26:43 Retire at 52? Building the Long-Term Vision

29:10 Working Yourself Out of Your Own Business

30:05 The One Job Rob Can't Replace: Sales

34:07 Will Their Kids Take Over the Family Business?

38:01 Legacy Without Setting Your Kids Up to Fail

41:30 Real Advice for Surviving a Freight Recession

43:46 The Covid Mistake That Cost Them Later

45:36 Who's Really in Your Corner When It Gets Hard

50:06 Closing: People Serving People

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Tom Keller spec'd his first truck at 20 years old to haul watermelons off his family's farm. He'd drive a load to Indianapolis, not like the price, keep driving to Detroit, sell them, and set the cash on the kitchen table — then do it again the next morning.

That hustle became Keller Logistics Group: 350 trucks, four divisions, and $200 million in sales out of Defiance, Ohio.

In this episode, Jared Flinn sits down with Bryan Keller and Jonathan Wolfrum to unpack how a melon farmer's instinct for finding the next opportunity built a company that's survived every freight cycle since — including the recession that just leveled half the dry van market. They get into the speculative warehouse bets, walking away from General Motors, why they moved into bulk and ag freight, and what it actually takes to be named a Best Fleet to Drive For nine years running.

If you're a carrier, owner-operator, or fleet owner trying to figure out your next move, this one's full of plays you can run.

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CHAPTERS

00:00 – Meeting Tom Keller

00:24 – The watermelon farm that started it all

01:22 – The Detroit melon run (cash on the kitchen table)

03:05 – From farm machinery to five trucks

04:10 – The thank-you card that landed Bryan the job

05:48 – "Bryan, we gotta be organized"

07:14 – Out-engineering the big carriers

08:58 – Scaling from 20 trucks and the warehouse gamble

12:39 – The 332,000 sq ft Dallas bet

15:04 – Walking away from General Motors

16:17 – The Campbell Soup phone call that changed everything

17:08 – Jonathan joins — 350 trucks today

20:48 – Faith, the prayer room, and "give to grow"

21:38 – Inside the Ignite Academy

25:29 – Why Keller moved into bulk and ag

29:54 – Farm roots run deep

32:12 – Breaking through growth plateaus with EOS

35:36 – Building a legacy, not a payday

36:39 – 9 years as a Best Fleet to Drive For

38:37 – The driver advisory board

42:53 – Closing thoughts

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Fleet maintenance isn't sexy — but it's one of the highest expenses in trucking, the most controllable, and by far the most ignored. Justin Brevik of Bosch FleetMe returns to the BulkLoads Podcast to break down exactly where fleets bleed money on maintenance and how to fix it, whether you run 3 trucks or 3,000.

Host Jared Flinn and Justin cover the real cost of letting a truck sit at a dealership, the oil-change myth costing you thousands, why tires are your #1 maintenance expense (and the cheap fix almost nobody does), and how to move your operation from reactive to preventative to predictive maintenance.

If you're an owner-operator, carrier, or fleet manager trying to protect your margins, this one pays for itself. Want to be featured on the BulkLoads Podcast? https://www.bulkloadsmedia.com/

⏱️ CHAPTERS

00:00 Joining Bosch's Fleet Maintenance Team

05:23 Fleet maintenance strategies

09:55 360-degree DVIR integration

11:18 Streamlining fleet breakdown response

14:40 Evaluating and training technicians

19:00 Dealership repair and staffing insights

22:11 Tire maintenance and oil changes

23:45 Fleet management tools overview

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For Matt and Sharon Kill, the goal was never to have the biggest fleet. But it took growing to 21 trucks — and nearly losing what mattered — to figure that out.

The family started with nothing: one truck, a borrowed belt trailer, and a 1950s pay loader that lost steering every time you let off the throttle. After Matt got let go from John Deere, they accidentally built a four-way ag operation — trucking, manure spreading, farming, and feed commodity trading out of Saint Mary's, Ohio.

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━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━ ⏱️ CHAPTERS ━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━

00:00 Meeting the Kill family

01:00 From John Deere to a borrowed belt trailer: how it started

04:10 Four businesses under one roof

04:32 The roller coaster: scaling from 8 to 21 trucks

06:42 Inside Ohio's massive ag country

07:08 The poultry litter business explained

09:20 "We started from nothing" — the old equipment days

11:07 Buying totaled belt trailers for pennies

11:49 The hardest part of the job

13:15 "Maybe we should just give this up"

15:31 Matt's learning disabilities and building it anyway

16:26 Who runs what: the team behind the operation

18:27 Where the business goes from here

20:25 Why no two farming operations are the same

22:28 Best advice for someone starting in trucking

26:33 Building it together from day one

28:42 What they pull from the BulkLoads podcast

29:13 Thank you

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Craig Broerman left a corporate mechanical engineering career, sold the money meant for his grandparents' farm, and bought a belt trailer in 2019. Six years later, he and his cousin Alan Lennartz are running 7–10 trucks across the Midwest hauling DDGs, soybean meal, cottonseed, and industrial products — and they did it before either of them turned 32.

In this episode, Jared sits down with Craig and Alan on location in Portland, Indiana to talk about the BulkLoads find that changed everything, the phone call in a North Carolina cornfield that made Craig get out of the truck for good, the mistakes they made buying "shiny" equipment, and the insurance and scaling realities nobody warns young carriers about.

If you're an owner-operator, small fleet, or thinking about getting into bulk trucking — this one's a roadmap.

⏱ TIMECODES

00:00 – On location in Portland, Indiana

00:43 – From mechanical engineer to belt trailer owner

02:25 – Finding BulkLoads and the first direct customer

03:25 – Retiring his wife from her corporate job

04:40 – Alan's path: asphalt, COVID, and "buy a truck"

06:00 – The conversation that split the businesses

06:30 – The cornfield phone call that changed everything

09:40 – How they funded the first truck (the farm gamble)

11:00 – Why posted loads = desperation (and opportunity)

13:30 – Reading the cottonseed market before it shifted

15:30 – Playing the long game on rates and relationships

17:15 – Why Craig thinks 5 years ahead, not 5 days

20:30 – What's actually moving in/out of Ohio–Indiana ag country

22:18 – Why they can't run hoppers in this region

24:40 – The real ROI of the BulkLoads Conference

27:30 – Trust, transparency, and family in business

28:00 – Biggest mistakes: overpriced trucks and hiring too soon

31:30 – How they decide when to scale (and when to wait)

36:50 – Spec'ing equipment: powertrains, trailers, and tonnage

39:00 – 48' vs 53' Conestoga — three months of research

42:30 – DDG market shifts and lane risk

44:00 – The insurance ceiling nobody talks about

47:20 – Advice for young people getting into trucking and logistics

51:30 – Why this part of the country looks the way it does

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What does it take to run a four-generation family business through cotton, cattle, pipeline restoration, AND a 7-truck hopper fleet — all at the same time?

This week we sat down with Bob Blackwell and his son-in-law Jared Reaves at Blackwell Trucking in Wayne, Oklahoma. Three generations of Blackwells have worked this land. Bob started chasing pipeline restoration jobs 25 years ago when one came across his field — and built Blackwell Trucking on the side just to keep his own equipment moving.

Then the last four years took a swing at them. Pipeline work went quiet. Solar customers walked off with over half a million dollars of unpaid work. Flatbed rates collapsed. And the family that had survived everything from boll weevils to a 1970s farm bankruptcy was looking for a way forward. Then Jared heard a podcast in his pig barn that changed everything. In this conversation we get into the full picture: how pipeline restoration actually works, why Bob won't buy stockers, the brutal economics of cattle and cotton, why he calls solar "a shell game," the wreck-truck rebuild, the engine that came apart in the shop, the role of faith in their business, and the very human moments behind the family's "GIG, GAP" philosophy — God Is Good, God Always Provides. If you're a carrier wondering whether there's a more consistent path than flatbed, a shipper looking for hard-working family operators, or a farm-and-ranch family trying to figure out the next chapter — this episode is for you.

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CHAPTERS 00:00 — Meet the Blackwells: 3 Generations on the Same Land

00:55 — How a Pipeline Across Bob's Field Started Everything

02:30 — Why They Started Blackwell Trucking

03:00 — Today: 7 Trucks, Goal of 10

04:34 — The Podcast in the Pig Barn That Changed Everything

05:30 — Why Hoppers Are More Consistent Than Flatbed

06:00 — Working with Chris & Michael at RFG

06:50 — The End Game: Cutting Out the Middleman

07:30 — "It's a Turtle Race"

08:00 — Cattle, Wildfires, and What Bad Land Management Looks Like

09:30 — The Engine That Came Apart in the Shop

10:00 — What Pipeline Restoration Actually Is

12:53 — Inside a 100-Mile Pipeline Project

13:30 — The $500,000 Solar Disaster

14:30 — "Solar is a Shell Game"

17:30 — Three Generations of Blackwells

18:00 — Why Bob Won't Buy Stockers

20:40 — The 8-Cent Brangus Lesson That Changed His Cattle Operation

22:00 — When Bob Got Into Rodeo Stock

23:30 — Where He Markets His Cattle Today

25:40 — Cattle Prices: Then vs. Now

28:20 — Cotton Country: How an Entire Region Dried Up

29:30 — Milo, Sorghum, and Fallow-Ground Decisions

31:42 — "The Only Difference Between Farming and Vegas..."

32:30 — Why Weather Is 95% of the Business

33:30 — What They Do for Fun: Lake Murray

34:30 — How Jared Got Here: Saint Louis → Mizzou → Bartlett → Springfield

37:00 — Why Joplin Stockyards Surpassed Oklahoma City

38:30 — "The Wealthiest Companies Got Wealthy off the Backs of Farmers"

39:50 — Why Cotton Doesn't Pencil Anymore

41:00 — The Peanut Program and Government Subsidies

43:00 — The Soybean Crop That Paid for His Son's Birth

45:30 — Why Equipment Payments Don't Work Anymore

46:30 — Converting Cropland to Bermuda Grass

47:04 — How Faith Holds the Whole Operation Together

48:30 — "GIG. GAP. God Is Good. God Always Provides."

48:50 — The Check-in-the-Mail Moments

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In 1950, a teenager who'd dropped out of school to save the family farm bought one truck and started hauling gasoline. Today, Wayne Transports runs 750+ trucks, moves nearly 290,000 loads a year, and posts driver turnover rates a fraction of the industry average. In this episode, we sit down with the next generation of Wayne ownership to unpack the full story — the Korean War tragedy that almost ended the company before it started, the bank loan that gave it its name, the move from Milaca to Rosemount that unlocked decades of growth, and how the family handed the president's chair to a non-family member for the first time in company history… one month before COVID hit.

We also get into the operational side: the AI tools rebuilding their dispatch floor, the camera + safety stack keeping their fleet on the road, the acquisition playbook that's added 35 trucks a year, and why their turnover sits at 18% while the rest of the industry burns through drivers at 60-90%. If you run a fleet, drive for one, or want to understand how a real American trucking dynasty actually gets built — this one is for you.

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⏱ TIMECODES / CHAPTERS

00:00 — Meet the next generation of Wayne ownership

00:35 — Handing the presidency to the first non-family member (Jason Bucci)

01:37 — One month in, COVID hits: 86 drivers laid off overnight

02:30 — "If you can't keep it in the black, I'm coming back" — Wayne's mandate

03:00 — Memories of Grandpa Wayne, cinder blocks, and card games

05:00 — The 8th-grade coin flip that started everything

06:30 — Hauling cattle to the South Saint Paul Stockyards

07:30 — The Korean War tragedy that almost ended the company

08:11 — The bank loan, the collateral form, and how "Wayne Transports" got its name

09:08 — Building the Malacca shop and the 1979 move to Rosemount

09:45 — Deregulation in 1980 and the growth that followed

10:24 — From 250 trucks (2007) to 750+ today

12:07 — Why Rosemount? The Flint Hills Resources advantage

13:30 — Fleet breakdown: petroleum, chemical, dry bulk, asphalt, ag

15:58 — Company drivers vs. independent contractors — the right ratio

17:30 — 40-year drivers and what loyalty actually looks like

18:50 — The tech stack: Samsara, TMW Suite, Avion AI, Idelic safety

21:16 — Why customer demand forced the technology shift

22:30 — The "Traction" book and building a real culture

23:29 — How Wayne keeps turnover at 18% while the industry runs 60-90%

26:01 — Beyond trucking: Miko Maintenance, real estate, renewables

28:36 — The acquisition playbook — 30+ trucks added in a single year

31:00 — How Wayne finds (and earns) acquisition deals

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He started with one truck at 18 years old — and went bankrupt within a year. Most people would have quit. Kendal Mast didn't.

Today, KM Wood Products runs 60+ trucks, hauls some of the heaviest freight in the country, and has quietly become one of the biggest players in AI data center freight — with 65% of their entire fleet dedicated to it.

But the road here wasn't straight. Kendal rebuilt this company from zero multiple times, survived COVID with his family living in the truck, fired his entire driver pool to save key contracts, and learned million-dollar lessons the hard way.

This is one of the most raw, honest conversations we've had on the BulkLoads Podcast. If you're an owner-operator, a small fleet owner, or just someone trying to build something real — this one's for you.

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⏱ TIMECODES

00:00 — Starting with one log truck at 18

01:02 — Switching to wood chips and surviving early failure

01:33 — Going OTR, hiring owner operators, and pivoting to flatbed

02:24 — COVID hits — lays everyone off and starts over with his family in the truck

03:05 — How he rebuilt to 60 trucks

04:11 — The partner situation that nearly destroyed key contracts

07:01 — Fleet breakdown: RGN, step deck, tanks, and heavy haul

08:02 — The 99-load gas plant project that changed his entire strategy

09:32 — Why he only chases projects with 20+ loads

10:56 — Oversized and super load regulations explained

12:43 — How permitting works state to state

14:18 — Managing fuel costs and surcharges in heavy haul

16:16 — Why the freight market is finally turning in 2026

17:00 — AI data centers driving 65% of their freight volume

19:01 — Moving MARTA tram cars into Atlanta

20:19 — How he connected with Jesse Bounds and 10-4 Coaching

22:26 — The two biggest things he learned from coaching

24:33 — Growth mindset — the plan to reach 100+ trucks

26:24 — Trailer rental and freight brokerage as side revenue

27:26 — How word of mouth and showing up wins more business than load boards

29:36 — Faith, peace, and giving it to God

31:23 — His 5am morning routine: sauna, Bible app, and prayer

33:07 — His biggest weakness as a leader

34:39 — Biggest mistakes: wrong accountant and a million-dollar lease deal

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Julie Andrich didn't grow up planning to run a trucking company. But when her father — a city kid who taught himself farming, failed his way into freight, and built Autumn Transport from a single truck in 1980 — passed away in 2015, Julie stepped into the seat. Now president of a 140-unit bulk carrier out of Woodbury, Minnesota, she shares the full story: where it started, how it grew, and what it means to carry on something bigger than yourself.

In this episode, Julie and Jared cover the gritty origin story, the owner-operator model that fueled four decades of growth, and the leadership lessons that still echo through the building today.

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⏱️ Chapters:

• 0:00 – Intro
• 0:02 – How Autumn Transport Started: A City Kid Tries Farming
• 1:21 – One Truck, One Banker, One Chance
• 2:02 – From Harvest Trucking to a Real Business
• 3:09 – What Kind of Guy Was Lol Andrich?
• 4:40 – Julie's Path Into the Company (She Didn't Plan It)
• 8:55 – Dispatching, Max, and Getting Street Cred with Drivers
• 14:29 – Growth from 75 Units in '95 to 140 Today
• 16:57 – The Transition: When Julie Took the Helm
• 21:48 – Playing Offense, Not Defense
• 23:55 – Finding the Right People: Values Over Experience
• 26:13 – A Day in Julie's Life
• 29:36 – What the Next 20 Years Look Like
• 31:29 – What Keeps Her Up at Night (Nuclear Verdicts)
• 33:07 – Faith, Peace, and Running a Business
• 34:16 – Lol's Lolisms: Wisdom from Her Father
• 37:20 – Julie's Mom: Still Running Payroll

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