While Trav and Pat don't profess to be experts, today they take you through their learnings around staff in a small business.

How to recruit the right staff, what to look for in an employee, how to retain them, how to manage staff leaving and what makes a good boss.

Yes, there are a few tangents that you'll get dragged down, but it's a refreshingly honest chat about strengths, mistakes and learnings.

Enjoy!