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0:28 The state of play in Russia-Ukraine 4:02 Anatol: Here’s how the war could end 12:35 Which side wants peace more? 20:18 Why hasn’t Trump used his leverage? 24:37 Anatol’s plan for peace 32:47 What Russia-Ukraine reveals about the military-industrial complex 39:48 What Trump's military purges reveal about his presidency 43:21 Heading to Overtime

Robert Wright (Nonzero, The Evolution of God, Why Buddhism Is True) and Anatol Lieven (The Quincy Institute). Recorded April 29, 2025.

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Overtime titles:

Decoding the Signal-gate madness. Could Trump pull off a new Iran deal? India-Pakistan and its parallels to Russia-Ukraine. Why isn't Trump tougher on Modi and Putin, really? AI, China-hawkism, and other existential threats. Why is US foreign policy discourse so bad?